US has no good options in Ukraine

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

Also, Russian speaking is not the same as ethnic Russian.

What is ethnic Russia vs. ethnic Ukrainian in former USSR and in modern Ukraine? How do Russian soldiers know who to exterminate and deport to concentration camps?

Everywhere but Crimea is ethnic Ukranian. The Russians don't care. Anyone that thinks that Ukraine and Ukrainians exist is suspect.

I find it so odd that you're strenuously arguing that all the war crimes are ok because it's not attempted genocide (yet).

As for ethnic cleansing. Yes, the forced deportations, refugee crisis, and rhetoric involving denying the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians as a separate people does meet the definition of ethnic cleansing. It has not been as bad as what Serbia did to the Bosnians but it's still been pretty bad.

Acknowledging that the number of casualties and other info that isn't consistent with pervasive ethnic cleansing does not equate to arguing that "all war crimes are ok". If you can't tell the difference it's on you

[Anonymous]

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

Yep. Pp clearly hasn’t read up on Russian genetics

Russia is way way more diverse than Ukraine

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

Why is the Ukrainian army telling them to get out? Oh yeah, because Russia.

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

Why is the Ukrainian army telling them to get out? Oh yeah, because Russia.

Russia is the invader, are you saying I am debating this? Yeah, captain obvious, if Russia didn't invade then so many Ukrainians wouldn't have had to flee. It still doesn't make it ethnic cleansing massacre of all Ukrainians.

[Anonymous]

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

Why is the Ukrainian army telling them to get out? Oh yeah, because Russia.

Russia is the invader, are you saying I am debating this? Yeah, captain obvious, if Russia didn't invade then so many Ukrainians wouldn't have had to flee. It still doesn't make it ethnic cleansing massacre of all Ukrainians.

Yeah, you're framing it so that the Ukranian army is making them flee.

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

Also, Russian speaking is not the same as ethnic Russian.

What is ethnic Russia vs. ethnic Ukrainian in former USSR and in modern Ukraine? How do Russian soldiers know who to exterminate and deport to concentration camps?

Everywhere but Crimea is ethnic Ukranian. The Russians don't care. Anyone that thinks that Ukraine and Ukrainians exist is suspect.

I find it so odd that you're strenuously arguing that all the war crimes are ok because it's not attempted genocide (yet).

As for ethnic cleansing. Yes, the forced deportations, refugee crisis, and rhetoric involving denying the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians as a separate people does meet the definition of ethnic cleansing. It has not been as bad as what Serbia did to the Bosnians but it's still been pretty bad.

Acknowledging that the number of casualties and other info that isn't consistent with pervasive ethnic cleansing does not equate to arguing that "all war crimes are ok". If you can't tell the difference it's on you

Ethnic cleansing is not the same as genocide. It does not require massacres for instance. Also pervasive is another interesting modifier you've added. It is pretty clear that an ethnic cleansing campaign has been undertaken by Russia in the East. That they haven't been deporting people in the West is as much a function of their military ineptitude as anything else.

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

Why is the Ukrainian army telling them to get out? Oh yeah, because Russia.

Russia is the invader, are you saying I am debating this? Yeah, captain obvious, if Russia didn't invade then so many Ukrainians wouldn't have had to flee. It still doesn't make it ethnic cleansing massacre of all Ukrainians.

Yeah, you're framing it so that the Ukranian army is making them flee.

The WAR is making them flee, dumbass. Do you think they'd give a shit if it were Ukraine invading Russia first and Russia coming into Ukraine to bomb their cities in retaliation? Would this matter to you if your country were the invader, would you not flee for your life? The fighting is making them flee whether it is righteous or not, citizens die, homes are destroyed. That's why negotiations is even more important than ever, the sooner some agreements could be reached to stop the fire, the better it is for the people of Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

This is stupid. It IS for safety. Or maybe you still believe the idiotic Russian lies that they are not targeting civilians. If you'd seen the horrific photos from Ukrainian cities like Bucha and Mariupol showing the corpses of dozens of dead civilians just lying in the streets, you'd be singing a different tune. The Russian monsters even shot and killed family dogs and livestock for no good reason whatsoever.

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

Why is the Ukrainian army telling them to get out? Oh yeah, because Russia.

Russia is the invader, are you saying I am debating this? Yeah, captain obvious, if Russia didn't invade then so many Ukrainians wouldn't have had to flee. It still doesn't make it ethnic cleansing massacre of all Ukrainians.

Yeah, you're framing it so that the Ukranian army is making them flee.

The WAR is making them flee, dumbass. Do you think they'd give a shit if it were Ukraine invading Russia first and Russia coming into Ukraine to bomb their cities in retaliation? Would this matter to you if your country were the invader, would you not flee for your life? The fighting is making them flee whether it is righteous or not, citizens die, homes are destroyed. That's why negotiations is even more important than ever, the sooner some agreements could be reached to stop the fire, the better it is for the people of Ukraine.

The WAR that Russia started, which Umraine did not provoke. You're both-sidesing it. The people of Ulraine don't want to live under Russian occupation.

[Anonymous]

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

This is stupid. It IS for safety. Or maybe you still believe the idiotic Russian lies that they are not targeting civilians. If you'd seen the horrific photos from Ukrainian cities like Bucha and Mariupol showing the corpses of dozens of dead civilians just lying in the streets, you'd be singing a different tune. The Russian monsters even shot and killed family dogs and livestock for no good reason whatsoever.

Russian also mined the dead bodies, so the people who recovered them also got blown up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
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Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

Also, Russian speaking is not the same as ethnic Russian.

What is ethnic Russia vs. ethnic Ukrainian in former USSR and in modern Ukraine? How do Russian soldiers know who to exterminate and deport to concentration camps?

Everywhere but Crimea is ethnic Ukranian. The Russians don't care. Anyone that thinks that Ukraine and Ukrainians exist is suspect.

I find it so odd that you're strenuously arguing that all the war crimes are ok because it's not attempted genocide (yet).

As for ethnic cleansing. Yes, the forced deportations, refugee crisis, and rhetoric involving denying the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians as a separate people does meet the definition of ethnic cleansing. It has not been as bad as what Serbia did to the Bosnians but it's still been pretty bad.

Everywhere is ethnic Ukrainian? Not at all. Most of eastern Ukraine is ethnic Russian. That's a legacy that goes back to Stalin, who moved many Russians into Ukraine. Except since 2014 and the betrayal by Yanukovich, the Russians in Ukraine now hate the Russian Federation and Putin's regime. That still doesn't make them any less ethnic Russian.

[Anonymous]

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It's isn't hard to believe that some Ukrainian citizens may want to move to Russia or at least be evacuated there as it's closer to them, or just get out of harms way.

I find it very hard to believe that Ukrainian citizens would want to move to the country that’s destroying their home and displacing them in the first place. Are you OK?

Hello, Ukrainian "flat earther". Ukraine was not a unified country that's also ethnically homogenous. It had its own turbulent history for centuries, even recent decades had been turbulent and divisive. Google Donbass region.
It

Ukraine is a lot more homogeneous than Russia.

You are a master of whataboutism. Are we talking about Russian citizens being evacuated from their burning cities right now? If this happens and somehow Ukraine invades and bombs Russian cities on the border then you can make your argument that there would be Russian citizens of these burning Russian cities amendable to evacuating into Ukraine and western countries and not only into Russia or Russia friendly countries. I would actually not dismiss it.

Whether or not they're 'amenable' has nothing to do with it. If they're being forced out, it's a cleansing.

When Ukrainian army tells the citizens they need to evacuate the building to get out of harm's way is this also "cleansing"? A lot of Ukrainians, especially those with money and connections overseas had left the country in the early days before Russian forces invaded their cities. Did they also get cleansed or did they just try to escape quickly escalating situation and get the hell out before it's too late?

This is stupid. It IS for safety. Or maybe you still believe the idiotic Russian lies that they are not targeting civilians. If you'd seen the horrific photos from Ukrainian cities like Bucha and Mariupol showing the corpses of dozens of dead civilians just lying in the streets, you'd be singing a different tune. The Russian monsters even shot and killed family dogs and livestock for no good reason whatsoever.

Russian also mined the dead bodies, so the people who recovered them also got blown up.

Ukraine's Prosecutor General has already documented over 2,300 Russian war crimes and in many cases they know the specific military units and perpetrators, and have already been submitting filings to the international criminal court. The Russians are behaving like the worst kinds of brutal animals and must pay.

[Anonymous]

Russian expats should be paying close attention and talking to their famiies back home. It was echoed over and over by people pushing back at anger against Russia, "What should Russians do? Their families are at risk!"

Yeah well so were the Ukrainians' families. Anyone who touted that line needs to watch the documentary Winter On Fire and learn something. The Ukrainians were threatened and brutalized by Yanukovich's Berkut stormtroopers, but persisted and fought until they won. Russia does not have enough stormtroopers to fight a determined people. Putin and Russian authoritarianism can and should be taken down.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4908644/

https://www.netflix.com/watch/80031666