Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

FrankWinston wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:That the DSA and Principal knew Overton would cheat and that they were happy to assist him.

That wasn't my takeway from reading the supposed screen shots. Good luck proving that.

So, to track the timeline of the Hayfraud parents and coaches:

1. First it was "We didn't cheat"
2. Then it pivoted to "Everyone who says we cheat is a racist"
3. Now it is "Sure we cheated, but good luck proving it."

4. We’re not the only ones who cheat.
5. All those other teams that cheat haven’t been caught. We only got caught because of racism.

[Anonymous]

It’s not happening at my kids school. The kids track back to elementary.

And your talking about 20+ players in one year at Hayfield. It’s like a speeding ticket. If you get 1 in a 3 month window, BFD. But if get 20 tickets in 3 months, the DMV should yank the license, and your insurance co will definitely drop you. Hayfield intentionally got the 20.

[FrankWinston]

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That the DSA and Principal knew Overton would cheat and that they were happy to assist him.

That wasn't my takeway from reading the supposed screen shots. Good luck proving that.

So, to track the timeline of the Hayfraud parents and coaches:

1. First it was "We didn't cheat"
2. Then it pivoted to "Everyone who says we cheat is a racist"
3. Now it is "Sure we cheated, but good luck proving it."

4. We’re not the only ones who cheat.
5. All those other teams that cheat haven’t been caught. We only got caught because of racism.

I remembered #4 in my response just before you but forgot #5. Thank you for keeping me honest.

[FrankWinston]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not happening at my kids school. The kids track back to elementary.

And your talking about 20+ players in one year at Hayfield. It’s like a speeding ticket. If you get 1 in a 3 month window, BFD. But if get 20 tickets in 3 months, the DMV should yank the license, and your insurance co will definitely drop you. Hayfield intentionally got the 20.

Yes, and if you get 20 tickets in 3 months, lie about being homeless to the officer, have someone in your car who tries doing drugs with minors, and have someone else in your car facing gun charges, you should get a little bit more than a ticket...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was no opening for a head coach. The AS and principal cannot seek candidates for a non-vacancy.

BS, the AD can hire fire head coach at his discretion

[Anonymous]

Fcps is claiming they didn't know anything about the texts until the coaches meeting last week, and they have been "researching" them ever since...

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Anonymous wrote:Is this enough to have state AG take over? It is what’s needed.

That’s no smoking gun and I don’t think it’s damning. It shows the AD expected transfers to come in with Overton and he mentioned homeless kids as an example.

If kids had been caught faking homeless, they may have something here, but I don’t thing this shows any violation being committed.

Nonsense. Why do you think Fritts suggested kids would transfer in as homeless and responded with three "laughing enojis" when his friend said "they better actually be homeless" ?

Moreover why---if kids weren't expected to transfer to play football which is a VHsL
Violation---is the conversation which started discussing hiring Overton then about how 10+ kids will be transferring from ither schools and some pretending to be homeless?

Reading this, I took it like Overton was truly sought after, ok fine, I believe they already had in their minds just like anywhere else with Overton coming in “some” kids would follow, and in my head the mention of 10 starters comment was basically a subtle shot at the players already there not being good enough and that with new coach comes better players.

This doesn't happen, actually. Kids don't jump from public HS to public HS following "their" coach around.

Stop it, please stop lying about a known epidemic, this one is only where it’s at based on the number of transfers not transfer in general

No one is lying. My kid's large FCPS HS got a new head football coach this year and no kids "followed him". "Better players" do not come with new coaches at public high schools, except apparently in shady places like PWC.

You’re definitely fabricating this, but ok for convenience sakes I’ll believe you

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

100%

Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That the DSA and Principal knew Overton would cheat and that they were happy to assist him.

That wasn't my takeway from reading the supposed screen shots. Good luck proving that.

So, to track the timeline of the Hayfraud parents and coaches:

1. First it was "We didn't cheat"
2. Then it pivoted to "Everyone who says we cheat is a racist"
3. Now it is "Sure we cheated, but good luck proving it."

4. We’re not the only ones who cheat.
5. All those other teams that cheat haven’t been caught. We only got caught because of racism.

What? My god post like this make it so so hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this enough to have state AG take over? It is what’s needed.

That’s no smoking gun and I don’t think it’s damning. It shows the AD expected transfers to come in with Overton and he mentioned homeless kids as an example.

If kids had been caught faking homeless, they may have something here, but I don’t thing this shows any violation being committed.

Nonsense. Why do you think Fritts suggested kids would transfer in as homeless and responded with three "laughing enojis" when his friend said "they better actually be homeless" ?

Moreover why---if kids weren't expected to transfer to play football which is a VHsL
Violation---is the conversation which started discussing hiring Overton then about how 10+ kids will be transferring from ither schools and some pretending to be homeless?

Reading this, I took it like Overton was truly sought after, ok fine, I believe they already had in their minds just like anywhere else with Overton coming in “some” kids would follow, and in my head the mention of 10 starters comment was basically a subtle shot at the players already there not being good enough and that with new coach comes better players.

This doesn't happen, actually. Kids don't jump from public HS to public HS following "their" coach around.

Stop it, please stop lying about a known epidemic, this one is only where it’s at based on the number of transfers not transfer in general

No one is lying. My kid's large FCPS HS got a new head football coach this year and no kids "followed him". "Better players" do not come with new coaches at public high schools, except apparently in shady places like PWC.

You’re definitely fabricating this, but ok for convenience sakes I’ll believe you

Nope!
Public school coaches show up for and coach the kids who already attend that school. They don't bring a three ring circus to work with them.

The fact that you don't understand this is...puzzling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

100%

Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

Who says they live in the Hayfield boundary? Lots of rumors about where those kids lived.

[Anonymous]

Sorry there is NO WAY that the six private school kids just coincidentally already happened to be zoned for Hayfield. No way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of young elementary schoolers on the other side of the county, it is very off putting to keep getting emails from the superintendent about this. The first email just drew attention to something I was not even aware was a problem. Can we get a superintendent that focuses on real issues? She should expect everyone in the chain of command to follow the rules, and when they don't, quickly fix it. Why is she bending over backward to cover for a football team?

Good question. I believe this is just an example of how she deals with things. I believe she brushes things under the rug, doesn’t communicate. And tries to make plans without understanding the implications of her decisions. Grading policies and behavioral issues are good examples that are not getting the attention they should be getting.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of young elementary schoolers on the other side of the county, it is very off putting to keep getting emails from the superintendent about this. The first email just drew attention to something I was not even aware was a problem. Can we get a superintendent that focuses on real issues? She should expect everyone in the chain of command to follow the rules, and when they don't, quickly fix it. Why is she bending over backward to cover for a football team?

Good question. I believe this is just an example of how she deals with things. I believe she brushes things under the rug, doesn’t communicate. And tries to make plans without understanding the implications of her decisions. Grading policies and behavioral issues are good examples that are not getting the attention they should be getting.

Excuse the typos. Meant to say: “I believe she brushes things under the rug, doesn’t communicate, and tries to make plans without understand the implications of her decisions.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

100%

Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

Nice try to confuse the issue. Everyone here knows the majority of the transfers came from Freedom HS, not private. There was one player who came from Dematha. He could be living anywhere, but would assume MD or DC.