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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

Abortion is not a Jewish tenet or common practice like circumcision and is not required to practice the religion. There is a difference between stating when they believe life begins and facilitating abortions. Furthermore Maimonides is a scholar but not a religious figure.

Nobody said abortion was a tenet. Nobody said anything about facilitating abortions.

But here you are, allowing clear and long-held Jewish teachings on something as fundamental as when life begins to be completely trampled. You are clearly not a Jew and what you are touting is is deeply problematic to religious freedom whether one is a Jew or not.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

Abortion is not a Jewish tenet or common practice like circumcision and is not required to practice the religion. There is a difference between stating when they believe life begins and facilitating abortions. Furthermore Maimonides is a scholar but not a religious figure.

Nobody said abortion was a tenet. Nobody said anything about facilitating abortions.

But here you are, allowing clear and long-held Jewish teachings on something as fundamental as when life begins to be completely trampled. You are clearly not a Jew and what you are touting is is deeply problematic to religious freedom whether one is a Jew or not.

This is what the GOP wants. They want a theocracy. Or a dictatorship with theocratic elements, they don’t really care. But they don’t regard Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Atheism or even liberal Christianity as worthy of respect. The Jewish people are a convenient love-hate thing for evangellies and fundies because they believe they need the Jewish people for the end of times, but if you know them personally and well they’re still mad that “the Jews” were to blame for Jesus’s crucifixion. Any Jewish person who votes for the GOP is a fool and a tool.

But yeah, the GOP doesn’t care that their forced birtherism tramples the religious rights; they like that.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

+1 And completely misses the point, which is that the federal law RWNJs are saying that the DOJ won’t enforce covers medical clinics, not rooms full of religious people with boxes of diapers. “Crisis pregnancy centers” are not medical clinics and therefore are not subject to the federal law which applies to them. Enforcement should and will be up to local law enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

Abortion is not a Jewish tenet or common practice like circumcision and is not required to practice the religion. There is a difference between stating when they believe life begins and facilitating abortions. Furthermore Maimonides is a scholar but not a religious figure.

DP. The point is that the ruling does not allow exceptions for the health of the mother. In Judaism, the life of the mother takes priority over the life of the fetus because it is not yet living until birth. The absolute definition of life prior to birth and giving the fetus more right to life than the mother is a violation of the Jewish religion. The mother's right to a medical procedure that will preserve her life should be protected by the first amendment. So with no protection for the life of the mother, the Florida law is unconstitutional and should be overturned.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

Lot of organizations exist to lobby people or the government toward different behavior. I'll write it shorter for you: not everything you disagree with is criminal.

And moreover, abortion rights are at risk right now. You may want to work a bit on your defense, because you are badly losing this battle. Now is not the time to expend resources in a futile effort to declare prolife centers illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

Abortion is not a Jewish tenet or common practice like circumcision and is not required to practice the religion. There is a difference between stating when they believe life begins and facilitating abortions. Furthermore Maimonides is a scholar but not a religious figure.

Nobody said abortion was a tenet. Nobody said anything about facilitating abortions.

But here you are, allowing clear and long-held Jewish teachings on something as fundamental as when life begins to be completely trampled. You are clearly not a Jew and what you are touting is is deeply problematic to religious freedom whether one is a Jew or not.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense. If a pregnant woman's life is in danger due to the pregnancy, how would it not violate a Jewish doctor's religious freedom to make it illegal for them to perform a life-saving medical procedure that they've been trained to do (and teaching abortion care is part of standard medical curriculum)?

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

Lot of organizations exist to lobby people or the government toward different behavior. I'll write it shorter for you: not everything you disagree with is criminal.

And moreover, abortion rights are at risk right now. You may want to work a bit on your defense, because you are badly losing this battle. Now is not the time to expend resources in a futile effort to declare prolife centers illegal.

I repeat: forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

The only reason you’re “winning” - rending your soul into bits and scattering them to the winds - is because you are a fascist. Literally. When you have rigged systems, oppressed votes and otherwise cheated to “win,” it’s part of the monster that is fascism.

Luckily the Bible has a quote for you: “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” You’re lost. And you won’t find out how badly till too late.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

Lot of organizations exist to lobby people or the government toward different behavior. I'll write it shorter for you: not everything you disagree with is criminal.

And moreover, abortion rights are at risk right now. You may want to work a bit on your defense, because you are badly losing this battle. Now is not the time to expend resources in a futile effort to declare prolife centers illegal.

I repeat: forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

The only reason you’re “winning” - rending your soul into bits and scattering them to the winds - is because you are a fascist. Literally. When you have rigged systems, oppressed votes and otherwise cheated to “win,” it’s part of the monster that is fascism.

Luckily the Bible has a quote for you: “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” You’re lost. And you won’t find out how badly till too late.

I'll entertain the notion that I misunderstood. Are you saying that pregnancy crisis centers, with no pretense of being medical clinics, should be allowed to freely operate without further regulation beyond what is now in place? Explain your position.

Also, I am prochoice and not religious, and not a fascist. I think your position, that pro-birth places are harmful, is grade A mad cow meat.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

Lot of organizations exist to lobby people or the government toward different behavior. I'll write it shorter for you: not everything you disagree with is criminal.

And moreover, abortion rights are at risk right now. You may want to work a bit on your defense, because you are badly losing this battle. Now is not the time to expend resources in a futile effort to declare prolife centers illegal.

I repeat: forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

The only reason you’re “winning” - rending your soul into bits and scattering them to the winds - is because you are a fascist. Literally. When you have rigged systems, oppressed votes and otherwise cheated to “win,” it’s part of the monster that is fascism.

Luckily the Bible has a quote for you: “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” You’re lost. And you won’t find out how badly till too late.

I'll entertain the notion that I misunderstood. Are you saying that pregnancy crisis centers, with no pretense of being medical clinics, should be allowed to freely operate without further regulation beyond what is now in place? Explain your position.

Also, I am prochoice and not religious, and not a fascist. I think your position, that pro-birth places are harmful, is grade A mad cow meat.

One problem is that this is not always true. A different problem is that there was a recent attack on one of these places, and forced-birthers are trying to paint the DOJ as biased for not looking into it. But my understanding is that federal law only pertains to attacks on medical clinics, so this is simply not a federal issue. It's dishonest to pretend otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

I’m gonna go a step further:
Those clinics exist to convince mothers - especially white mothers - to give up those babies for adoption and get kids into the Christian-dominated adoption networks that charge tens of thousands of dollars per kid.

Those clinics are a front for what is essentially a ideologically driven child trafficking network.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

I’m gonna go a step further:
Those clinics exist to convince mothers - especially white mothers - to give up those babies for adoption and get kids into the Christian-dominated adoption networks that charge tens of thousands of dollars per kid.

Those clinics are a front for what is essentially a ideologically driven child trafficking network.

So what are you proposing be done about these "problems"?

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

I’m gonna go a step further:
Those clinics exist to convince mothers - especially white mothers - to give up those babies for adoption and get kids into the Christian-dominated adoption networks that charge tens of thousands of dollars per kid.

Those clinics are a front for what is essentially a ideologically driven child trafficking network.

So what are you proposing be done about these "problems"?

1) they should not receive federal or state money. Trump gave them money, if you weren’t aware.
2) they should not be allowed to represent themselves as anything other than what they are: forced birthers who will talk you out of abortion. That’s all they are. A few packages of diapers and a hand me down crib is not “help.” It’s crumbs.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

I’m gonna go a step further:
Those clinics exist to convince mothers - especially white mothers - to give up those babies for adoption and get kids into the Christian-dominated adoption networks that charge tens of thousands of dollars per kid.

Those clinics are a front for what is essentially a ideologically driven child trafficking network.

+1. Don’t forget that many of these clinics are affiliated with the Catholic Church, a decidedly un-American institution bent on forcing its anti-women doctrine on all citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

I love that forced birthers can’t debate an issue without completely inventing sht their opponents didn’t say.

I’ll write it shorter for you: clinics misrepresent themselves, on purpose. They exist not to help women who want to keep their pregnancies, they exist to convince women who want abortions to not get them.

I’m gonna go a step further:
Those clinics exist to convince mothers - especially white mothers - to give up those babies for adoption and get kids into the Christian-dominated adoption networks that charge tens of thousands of dollars per kid.

Those clinics are a front for what is essentially a ideologically driven child trafficking network.

+1. Don’t forget that many of these clinics are affiliated with the Catholic Church, a decidedly un-American institution bent on forcing its anti-women doctrine on all citizens.

More babies = more little boys to diddle, the Catholic philosophy.