“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

Florida has some things in its state constitution that makes this more difficult for them. Not going to be the case in the other 25 or so states which will want to accomplish this.

Seems kind of a stretch. The religion says that someone must abort their child? What if my religion says that I must kill the infidel? Not gonna fly.

Judaism holds that life only begins when the first breath is drawn. Until then it is not a life. These laws go against Judaism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

Florida has some things in its state constitution that makes this more difficult for them. Not going to be the case in the other 25 or so states which will want to accomplish this.

Seems kind of a stretch. The religion says that someone must abort their child? What if my religion says that I must kill the infidel? Not gonna fly.

Judaism holds that life only begins when the first breath is drawn. Until then it is not a life. These laws go against Judaism.

Orthodox Jews would disagree with you, so I wouldnt stretch this too far. But satanic temple does have abortion as one of its tenets.

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

None of that is healthcare, so that doesn’t answer PP’s question.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

Florida has some things in its state constitution that makes this more difficult for them. Not going to be the case in the other 25 or so states which will want to accomplish this.

Seems kind of a stretch. The religion says that someone must abort their child? What if my religion says that I must kill the infidel? Not gonna fly.

Judaism holds that life only begins when the first breath is drawn. Until then it is not a life. These laws go against Judaism.

Orthodox Jews would disagree with you, so I wouldnt stretch this too far. But satanic temple does have abortion as one of its tenets.

The first breath is from Genesis 1:2. Maimonides and most other Jewish scholars have said life begins when the head emerges.

Defining life as beginning prior to birth runs counter to Jewish religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

Florida has some things in its state constitution that makes this more difficult for them. Not going to be the case in the other 25 or so states which will want to accomplish this.

Seems kind of a stretch. The religion says that someone must abort their child? What if my religion says that I must kill the infidel? Not gonna fly.

Judaism places the duty to save the life and health of the mother over a baby that has not yet emerged into the birth canal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

The distinction is important because medical clinics are what are protected by the FACE Act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if the SCOTUS ruling comes out, there may be enough challenges to abortion bans that will prevent states from enacting such laws. This is from Florida where a synagogue says that in addition to violating privacy rights, the abortion ban is also a violation of the 1A religion clause.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-nsf-south-florida-jewish-congregation-challenges-abortion-law-20220614-t3n53g67cffzjhc25z6hklq6sq-story.html

The article only cites violation of religious freedom rights of Jewish women. But it seems that there would be an equal, if not more extreme, direct violation of religious freedom rights for Jewish doctors.

Abortion is not a Jewish tenet or common practice like circumcision and is not required to practice the religion. There is a difference between stating when they believe life begins and facilitating abortions. Furthermore Maimonides is a scholar but not a religious figure.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

Not PP but “women walk through their doors” because they lie to them about what’s inside. Watch 12th & Delaware on HBO Max.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So do these pro-life clinics actually provide any healthcare? I know the advertise “free pregnancy tests “. But one can buy a realizable pregnancy test at Dollar Tree, so that is not healthcare. I don’t think they qualify under the law. Besides I think it’s false flag damage. Anti voice people are the ones with a history of violence. Eric Rudolph,for instance.

I know someone who went to one of these centers. They talked her out of abortion, gave her financial support, and hooked her up with a church that gave her ongoing financial support. I get it if you prefer people just abort, but choice goes both ways. People should be able to choose to use these centers.

Not with the way these places lie. They’re scammy joints that bully women into keeping pregnancies they don’t want. Like the “someone” you know. They pretend to be clinics; they are not clinics. https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03 They lie about who they are and about abortion. https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia

It's fine to make the distinction that they are not clinics. But it is okay if someone is looking for help, and gets it at a pregnancy crisis center. For many women, having a baby is a good thing. There are two sides to this coin.

They have worked hard to obscure the fact that they are not clinics. There was a whole thing over this back in the days of the yellow pages.

For all women who want children, having a baby when they want to have children is a great thing. The difference is that forced birthers want to take away choice entirely, even from women who are pregnant and don’t want to be losing a pregnancy but will, in the GOP’s Handmaid’s Tale, lose not only their pregnancy but also their lives.

You think you’re making a sly point, like maybe pro choice people haven’t even considered that some people want to have kids, like most of us don’t already have them ourselves, like we’re forcing people to get abortions. You think women are so effing stupid that they don’t understand what abortion is, so you guys invented waiting periods and force doctors to recite scripts that aren’t even scientifically accurate. There are two sides to this coin: trusting women as pro choice voters do and then hating women and wanting them to really feel Eve’s curse.

You're taking an untenable position. True enough- these places should not call themselves clinics. Personally, I've only seen them advertised as "centers." But your position that organizations should not be able to attempt to influence pregnant women to keep the baby-- I dont think your position would hold up in any court. These women walk through their doors, ready to entertain the message. This is separate from the abortion question. You are arguing no pro-pregnancy groups, without the goal of abortions, should be able to operate.

Not PP but “women walk through their doors” because they lie to them about what’s inside. Watch 12th & Delaware on HBO Max.

People walk through the doors of the Church of Scientology. Also the doors of fundamentalist mormon cults. Why would we allow all that but specifically make crisis pregnancy centers illegal. Not everything you disagree with should be illegal. It's this crazy level of extremism that has our country at this point.