FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

More like a well fabricated narrative of history. The wealth of this country was built on free labor by those who were raped, separated from their families (including babies), still being killed, and were forced into bondage for hundreds of years. We aren’t doing the people of this nation any favors denying the truth and refusing to acknowledge the racism/white supremacy that exists. That just allows it to continue. It has gone on far to long and needs to be addressed immediately.

What immediate actions are you calling for to address it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

+2

[Anonymous]

I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

There is a lot of study on this that says when you victimize people particularly as a whole and not a part it's a self fulfilling prophecy where they believe they are not strong and are forever victims. They basically live out their victimization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

There is a lot of study on this that says when you victimize people particularly as a whole and not a part it's a self fulfilling prophecy where they believe they are not strong and are forever victims. They basically live out their victimization.

Citation?

[Anonymous]

I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

There is a lot of study on this that says when you victimize people particularly as a whole and not a part it's a self fulfilling prophecy where they believe they are not strong and are forever victims. They basically live out their victimization.

Citation?

I'm sorry. It's the middle of a work day so I'll have to get back to this later but there are thousands I'm sure. Many black people even discuss this experience in their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

Not pp, but again - b/c it was so well said - "DP. CRT is not supposed to be about assigning blame to individual people or acknowledging "an edge" on an individual basis. It's supposed to offer a perspective on institutional or structural racism. These are things that white people, as a group (not individually) might not have to worry about that impact BIPOC people differently. The fact that proponents of teaching CRT in school cannot articulate these concepts in a way that avoids individual judgment or creating guilt in young students underscores why this mindset is not appropriate for [primary] schools.

Teach history, even if it is ugly, and illuminate unheard voices. Teachers should not be assigning guilt or blame."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

More like a well fabricated narrative of history. The wealth of this country was built on free labor by those who were raped, separated from their families (including babies), still being killed, and were forced into bondage for hundreds of years. We aren’t doing the people of this nation any favors denying the truth and refusing to acknowledge the racism/white supremacy that exists. That just allows it to continue. It has gone on far to long and needs to be addressed immediately.

DP. Please take this to MoCo. This is their specialty. We're not like them here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

that would take a constitutional amendment- do you think 3/4ths of states are voting to allow reparations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

More like a well fabricated narrative of history. The wealth of this country was built on free labor by those who were raped, separated from their families (including babies), still being killed, and were forced into bondage for hundreds of years. We aren’t doing the people of this nation any favors denying the truth and refusing to acknowledge the racism/white supremacy that exists. That just allows it to continue. It has gone on far to long and needs to be addressed immediately.

DP. Please take this to MoCo. This is their specialty. We're not like them here.

I know Fairfax has plenty white supremacist’s, but there his no need to change the narrative or lie about history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about CRT to form an opinion yet. But I read a lot people saying that if implemented it will send the message to people of color that they are not capable of achieving great things. I’m confused. How is acknowledging systemic racism going to do this exactly? I can understand all the ways racism may have contributed to X and still hold myself accountable and know I’m capable of doing certain things? I’m a Latina. I was discriminated against in this country growing up. I learned about systemic racism in college. It explained many things I didn’t quite understand before. Never did I say to myself “well shucks I guess I can’t accomplish these things now.” It seems like such a weird argument. It’s also quite patronizing for white people to assume how this may impact people of color.
By the way as a Latina whose country was heavily impacted by American foreign policy “fighting communism” in the 60s, I have to chuckle at the PP. This well reasoned student of history would do well to study the history of American foreign policy.

Many scholars have expressed the same confusion with how CRT really doesn't account for personal effort or responsibility. Still, that works both ways. Too often, individual effort and responsibility are weaponized to excuse systemic and intuitional injustice by characterizing BIPOC people as lazy or irresponsible. As a BIPOC, you should be able to make mistakes like every other person without disastrous consequences solely because of the color of your skin. To the extent our laws and institutions make it easier for me, as a white woman, to get to the same place that you, as a Latina are now, we need to make changes. You shouldn't have to work harder and be better than I am to get to the same place.

At the same time, individual effort does play into opportunities. That's where CRT is fuzzy. Uninformed people continue to talk about "unearned privileges" as those they are something that people should have to give up. Is it an unearned privilege to have the opportunity to receive a quality education? That's something everyone deserves. On the other hand, is it an unearned privilege that by virtue of my non-ethnic sounding name, I'm more likely to get a job interview? Yes, that's an unearned privilege. How do I give that up? Quit my job? I am hard-working and qualified for my job so it's not a privilege that I continue to have it. True race based advantages, the things that need to be changed, attach to white people because of their skin color, not because of their work. Most advantages people currently hold are a hybrid of earned and unearned advantage, which is why people get defensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

+2

LOL. What a load of crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

+2

LOL. What a load of crap.

I'm not going to pick your version of history. "Crap."

Nope. I'll stick with PP's version for my elementary school kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

More like a well fabricated narrative of history. The wealth of this country was built on free labor by those who were raped, separated from their families (including babies), still being killed, and were forced into bondage for hundreds of years. We aren’t doing the people of this nation any favors denying the truth and refusing to acknowledge the racism/white supremacy that exists. That just allows it to continue. It has gone on far to long and needs to be addressed immediately.

What immediate actions are you calling for to address it?

First thing you can do is acknowledge the truth. After that, stop discriminating against people based on the color of their skin. It’s really not that difficult. Stop with all the deception.