Help me understand the impact of a $15 minimum wage?

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Already getting the feeling like nothing matters because democrats can’t just grow up and use the power they have. Screw Manchin at every turn from here on out until he caves on the filibuster.


This! We're always so scared to wield power. The Republicans will see to it that nothing of significance to the general population happens, they'll retake power, and continue looting all the money for themselves and their donors until there's nothing left.


Exactly. Democrats play checkers while Republicans play chess.

Republicans play to win by any means necessary.


yes, democrats realize that government is not a competition. It is people coming together to try to make civilization instead of anarchy.

Republicans just see the whole world as a pissing contest. Why is winning so important to them? do they not have lives? children? families? communities?


Seems as if Democrats don't care that raising the min. wage to $15 would put 1.4 million people out of work. You call this "coming together?"

I personally think that any move toward raising the min. wage must be tied to using eVerify and there must be a carve out for small businesses.
Tom Cotton's plan is a good one.


Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.

+1 This whole concept of the "working poor" did not exist when I was growing up. I think it started to be a thing in the 80's? If you work, you should not have to go to a food bank and go without health care. I agree that this is not "coming together". This is falling apart.

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Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.


+1 This whole concept of the "working poor" did not exist when I was growing up. I think it started to be a thing in the 80's? If you work, you should not have to go to a food bank and go without health care. I agree that this is not "coming together". This is falling apart.

What about jobs for teens?
What about part-time jobs for people who just want a little extra cash?
What about a small business that is trying to get started?


What about variants in cost of living across the US. Certainly, cost of living is significantly higher in NYC than in rural West Virginia. And, guess what? The minimum wage is already higher in NYC than in WV because the local government has raised it.
That is how it should be handled--locally.

If it passes, look for more self-serve in retail. Look for fewer jobs in small businesses--and, look for fewer small businesses.

[Anonymous]

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Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.


+1 This whole concept of the "working poor" did not exist when I was growing up. I think it started to be a thing in the 80's? If you work, you should not have to go to a food bank and go without health care. I agree that this is not "coming together". This is falling apart.

What about jobs for teens?
What about part-time jobs for people who just want a little extra cash?
What about a small business that is trying to get started?


What about variants in cost of living across the US. Certainly, cost of living is significantly higher in NYC than in rural West Virginia. And, guess what? The minimum wage is already higher in NYC than in WV because the local government has raised it.
That is how it should be handled--locally.

If it passes, look for more self-serve in retail. Look for fewer jobs in small businesses--and, look for fewer small businesses.

Maybe. Maybe not.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2021/02/25/496355/small-businesses-get-boost-15-minimum-wage/

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I am all for raising the min. wage and tying it henceforward to inflation. But, the impact of raising wages whether min. or otherwise, is, prices go up. That's why you could buy a house for $100 or whatever back in 1804.

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PS, except for teen jobs. I think teens in school should not be making min. wage. The lifeguards at my local pool should not be making the same as full time min. wage employees. IMHO

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Anonymous wrote:PS, except for teen jobs. I think teens in school should not be making min. wage. The lifeguards at my local pool should not be making the same as full time min. wage employees. IMHO

Just call them interns and hire one real lifeguard that you pay $15 an hour, to supervise.

[Anonymous]

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Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.


+1 This whole concept of the "working poor" did not exist when I was growing up. I think it started to be a thing in the 80's? If you work, you should not have to go to a food bank and go without health care. I agree that this is not "coming together". This is falling apart.

What about jobs for teens?
What about part-time jobs for people who just want a little extra cash?
What about a small business that is trying to get started?


What about variants in cost of living across the US. Certainly, cost of living is significantly higher in NYC than in rural West Virginia. And, guess what? The minimum wage is already higher in NYC than in WV because the local government has raised it.
That is how it should be handled--locally.

If it passes, look for more self-serve in retail. Look for fewer jobs in small businesses--and, look for fewer small businesses.

This is not the sole pressure on small businesses, and Republicans look for ways to weaken them to the benefit of big businesses wherever.

And what about jobs for teens? They’re not ever saving for college or anything worthwhile? Their time shouldn’t matter? And if people are getting part time jobs for “a little extra cash,” do you think they’d object to slightly more cash for their time?

Do your arguments seriously make sense to you?

[Anonymous]

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Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.


+1 This whole concept of the "working poor" did not exist when I was growing up. I think it started to be a thing in the 80's? If you work, you should not have to go to a food bank and go without health care. I agree that this is not "coming together". This is falling apart.

What about jobs for teens?
What about part-time jobs for people who just want a little extra cash?
What about a small business that is trying to get started?


What about variants in cost of living across the US. Certainly, cost of living is significantly higher in NYC than in rural West Virginia. And, guess what? The minimum wage is already higher in NYC than in WV because the local government has raised it.
That is how it should be handled--locally.

If it passes, look for more self-serve in retail. Look for fewer jobs in small businesses--and, look for fewer small businesses.

Why should this work be compensated any less? It's still the same work, right? Or did I miss the part where a teenage fast food worker is allowed to flip fewer burgers/hr than an adult one? Or where a small business owner's cashier has fewer responsibilities than a large business owner's cashier?

I pay our teenage babysitter $15/hr, BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS, except for teen jobs. I think teens in school should not be making min. wage. The lifeguards at my local pool should not be making the same as full time min. wage employees. IMHO

Why? Seriously, why?

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Anonymous wrote:Already getting the feeling like nothing matters because democrats can’t just grow up and use the power they have. Screw Manchin at every turn from here on out until he caves on the filibuster.

This! We're always so scared to wield power. The Republicans will see to it that nothing of significance to the general population happens, they'll retake power, and continue looting all the money for themselves and their donors until there's nothing left.

Exactly. Democrats play checkers while Republicans play chess.

Republicans play to win by any means necessary.

yes, democrats realize that government is not a competition. It is people coming together to try to make civilization instead of anarchy.

Republicans just see the whole world as a pissing contest. Why is winning so important to them? do they not have lives? children? families? communities?

Seems as if Democrats don't care that raising the min. wage to $15 would put 1.4 million people out of work. You call this "coming together?"

I personally think that any move toward raising the min. wage must be tied to using eVerify and there must be a carve out for small businesses.
Tom Cotton's plan is a good one.

Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.

Cutting out those jobs would substantially kill thousands of small businesses. And, small business makes up the bulk of our economy.
Go ahead and insist that big corporations - Walmart, Amazon, etc. - pay $15. Anyone supporting a family can seek employment at these companies. But, small businesses should not require this. Then, the teens and college students - WHO ARE NOT SUPPORTING THEMSELVES - can still be employed and the small businesses can survive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Already getting the feeling like nothing matters because democrats can’t just grow up and use the power they have. Screw Manchin at every turn from here on out until he caves on the filibuster.

This! We're always so scared to wield power. The Republicans will see to it that nothing of significance to the general population happens, they'll retake power, and continue looting all the money for themselves and their donors until there's nothing left.

Exactly. Democrats play checkers while Republicans play chess.

Republicans play to win by any means necessary.

yes, democrats realize that government is not a competition. It is people coming together to try to make civilization instead of anarchy.

Republicans just see the whole world as a pissing contest. Why is winning so important to them? do they not have lives? children? families? communities?

Seems as if Democrats don't care that raising the min. wage to $15 would put 1.4 million people out of work. You call this "coming together?"

I personally think that any move toward raising the min. wage must be tied to using eVerify and there must be a carve out for small businesses.
Tom Cotton's plan is a good one.

Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.

Cutting out those jobs would substantially kill thousands of small businesses. And, small business makes up the bulk of our economy.
Go ahead and insist that big corporations - Walmart, Amazon, etc. - pay $15. Anyone supporting a family can seek employment at these companies. But, small businesses should not require this. Then, the teens and college students - WHO ARE NOT SUPPORTING THEMSELVES - can still be employed and the small businesses can survive.

And in what magical world would these teens and students decide to work at the small business for less than the Walmart/Amazon job Dow the street?

[Anonymous]

Y’all realize some teens work to support their poor families, right? Or is their manual labor somehow worth less than adults?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y’all realize some teens work to support their poor families, right? Or is their manual labor somehow worth less than adults?

This. Not every teen is working for fun money. Equal pay for equal work. There's no reason they don't deserve to be paid the same as adult's doing the same work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS, except for teen jobs. I think teens in school should not be making min. wage. The lifeguards at my local pool should not be making the same as full time min. wage employees. IMHO

Why? What would be the justification for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Already getting the feeling like nothing matters because democrats can’t just grow up and use the power they have. Screw Manchin at every turn from here on out until he caves on the filibuster.

This! We're always so scared to wield power. The Republicans will see to it that nothing of significance to the general population happens, they'll retake power, and continue looting all the money for themselves and their donors until there's nothing left.

Exactly. Democrats play checkers while Republicans play chess.

Republicans play to win by any means necessary.

yes, democrats realize that government is not a competition. It is people coming together to try to make civilization instead of anarchy.

Republicans just see the whole world as a pissing contest. Why is winning so important to them? do they not have lives? children? families? communities?

Seems as if Democrats don't care that raising the min. wage to $15 would put 1.4 million people out of work. You call this "coming together?"

I personally think that any move toward raising the min. wage must be tied to using eVerify and there must be a carve out for small businesses.
Tom Cotton's plan is a good one.

Jobs that pay poverty wages aren’t good jobs. We can create better jobs if we cut those out and families could actually support themselves on 2 jobs instead of 4, or cash under the table. More jobs does not necessarily mean better.

Cutting out those jobs would substantially kill thousands of small businesses. And, small business makes up the bulk of our economy.
Go ahead and insist that big corporations - Walmart, Amazon, etc. - pay $15. Anyone supporting a family can seek employment at these companies. But, small businesses should not require this. Then, the teens and college students - WHO ARE NOT SUPPORTING THEMSELVES - can still be employed and the small businesses can survive.

What world do you live in that no teens or college students are working to support themselves? If a business can't afford it's labor, it's a failing business. Why do you think it's okay to ask employees to prop up these failing businesses by accepting poverty wages? And taxpayers by extension, since we pay for the welfare programs that these employees being paid poverty wages must then turn to?