Help me understand the impact of a $15 minimum wage?

Anonymous
So idiotic to have a national minimum wage given the vast differences in cost of living across fifty states. A smart country would create a dynamic minimum wage tied to cost of living. It might be 20 in NY and 8 in West Virginia. The data is available and easy to crunch......we’re just too stupid a country to try and innovate anymore.
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Anonymous wrote:So idiotic to have a national minimum wage given the vast differences in cost of living across fifty states. A smart country would create a dynamic minimum wage tied to cost of living. It might be 20 in NY and 8 in West Virginia. The data is available and easy to crunch......we’re just too stupid a country to try and innovate anymore.


Plenty of people have suggested this. It's more that Congress isn't motivated or rewarded for innovating. We'll just keep fighting the same culture wars and arguing over the same failed policies so long as they can use it to maintain power.
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Anonymous wrote:So idiotic to have a national minimum wage given the vast differences in cost of living across fifty states. A smart country would create a dynamic minimum wage tied to cost of living. It might be 20 in NY and 8 in West Virginia. The data is available and easy to crunch......we’re just too stupid a country to try and innovate anymore.


Plenty of people have suggested this. It's more that Congress isn't motivated or rewarded for innovating. We'll just keep fighting the same culture wars and arguing over the same failed policies so long as they can use it to maintain power.


^This. I feel like 99% of the issues on DCUM threads boil down to this.
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.
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Anonymous wrote:So idiotic to have a national minimum wage given the vast differences in cost of living across fifty states. A smart country would create a dynamic minimum wage tied to cost of living. It might be 20 in NY and 8 in West Virginia. The data is available and easy to crunch......we’re just too stupid a country to try and innovate anymore.


Plenty of people have suggested this. It's more that Congress isn't motivated or rewarded for innovating. We'll just keep fighting the same culture wars and arguing over the same failed policies so long as they can use it to maintain power.


^This. I feel like 99% of the issues on DCUM threads boil down to this.


Want to add this: Almost no bills or policies are data or analysis-driven. It is shameful.
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.


You can have shelter and food on minimum wage. If you’re unmotivated to do more, why do you deserve a wage that covers more than food and shelter? People here think minimum wage needs to cover food, shelter, car, phone, internet, health care, etc.

Why do you keep moving the goalposts?
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.


What if the economic value of a person’s output is somewhere between a few dollars and 15 dollars an hour?
Do they just not deserve to have a job? Is their contribution not valuable to society?
Should they just stay home and collect a check?
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.


You can have shelter and food on minimum wage. If you’re unmotivated to do more, why do you deserve a wage that covers more than food and shelter? People here think minimum wage needs to cover food, shelter, car, phone, internet, health care, etc.

Why do you keep moving the goalposts?


Not without government assistance. 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year at minimum wage = $15,000.
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Let's see how much it would take to just cover food and housing.

The average monthly rental price for a 1 bedroom apartment in the US is $1100.

The average monthly food cost for one person is $165-345.

Using $165 for food that equals $15,200. So $200 short. Of course that doesnt include anything for clothes, electricity, water, or furniture. It also doesnt include transportation or appliances so there's no way to cook the food and you need to live in walking distance to everything.



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Anonymous wrote:So idiotic to have a national minimum wage given the vast differences in cost of living across fifty states. A smart country would create a dynamic minimum wage tied to cost of living. It might be 20 in NY and 8 in West Virginia. The data is available and easy to crunch......we’re just too stupid a country to try and innovate anymore.


Plenty of people have suggested this. It's more that Congress isn't motivated or rewarded for innovating. We'll just keep fighting the same culture wars and arguing over the same failed policies so long as they can use it to maintain power.


^This. I feel like 99% of the issues on DCUM threads boil down to this.


Want to add this: Almost no bills or policies are data or analysis-driven. It is shameful.


Why do we vote imbeciles into power? It’s an utter disgrace.
Anonymous
My white 40 year old veteran family member makes $12 an hour. He only has a condo because his parents bought it for him, and health care because of his service. He is not capable of getting a higher earning job (learning disorder, plus emotional damage from the Gulf war), and can not support himself on his salary without his parents help.

This is the type of person $15 an hour helps. Every penny will go back into the economy, and his parents will be able to save more money for retirement.
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And I make a big deal about him being white and a veteran, because I think a lot of people who oppose the minimum wage do so because they think it's all POC and younger people. Not true.
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.


You can have shelter and food on minimum wage. If you’re unmotivated to do more, why do you deserve a wage that covers more than food and shelter? People here think minimum wage needs to cover food, shelter, car, phone, internet, health care, etc.

Why do you keep moving the goalposts?


No one said that. Show me how you'd survive on $15k per year, assuming you always get 40 hours and don't get sick, which is a big assumption.
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Anonymous wrote:If you ask someone to work for you for full time hours, but don't pay them enough to reasonably sustain themselves, you've essentially got yourself an indentured servant. Are we really okay with that as a country? Having an underclass of indentured servants that we allow the merchant class to abuse and treat however they want?


If you offer someone a job and tell them upfront the wage you are willing to pay, and the person says YES to your offer, then you’ve got yourself an employee who has entered into an at-will agreement to work for you at the wage you both agreed upon.

And in most cases, the wage is very clearly indicated in the job posting. The “indentured servant” need not apply to that job of the wage is not suitable to them.


Buddy, you ever been hungry?


I have and I’ve worked the minimum wage jobs when I was. I worked construction jobs that were hard when I was. I did without stuff when I was.

I didn’t bitch that it wasn’t fair and expect someone else to do something about it, it was on me to do it.


And you're fortunate enough to have had the skills and the wherewithal to do so. Not everyone does, and those people still need to eat.


There are many well paying jobs that require 0 skills, but they’re usually harder work, so people just complain instead.


What jobs are those that pay well despite requiring zero skills?


Garbage. Mail. Janitor. Lawn maintenance. Car washer. Bus driver. Taxi cab/Uber driver. Cashier. Maid. Doorman. Bellhop. Delivery person. Warehouse fulfilment. Stock/clerk. I could go on. Yes, there are some basic skills required, but nothing the overwhelming majority of adults could not pick up in a very short period of time.


Okay, say everyone went to these so-called good paying skillless jobs. Whose going to do the minimum wage work? And do those people not deserve to be able to sustain themselves?


The same people that do them now, as the above jobs are out there currently. Anyone making minimum wage Today could get a better job Tomorrow, but they won’t because the work is harder. Some people don’t want to reward them for their decisions, why is that a bad thing?

If you want to be able to sustain yourself but don’t want to put the work in, that’s not my problem.


NOT EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF DOING MORE. What is it about that that you struggle to understand? For some people, getting and keeping a minimum wage job is a significant achievement. For some it's the best they can do. For some, they are unmotivated to do or learn more. ALL of those people still deserve to eat and have shelter. It's not a frickin reward you sick f#ck.


You can have shelter and food on minimum wage. If you’re unmotivated to do more, why do you deserve a wage that covers more than food and shelter? People here think minimum wage needs to cover food, shelter, car, phone, internet, health care, etc.

Why do you keep moving the goalposts?


Not without government assistance. 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year at minimum wage = $15,000.


Minimum wage is $22k in Maryland, but I’ll play your game. I picked Julian WV at random. Small town, probably a minimum wage type place.

Here is an apartment for $550, and plenty of them in that area. Since WV minimum wage is $8.75 you have $1000 a month left over for food...

https://www.apartments.com/greenbrier-gardens-apartments-charleston-wv/nvr8edq/

Since I know you’ll change to somewhere else, I’ll use your $15k, even though it’s actually $15,950 and pick Roanoke VA

Here’s a place for $500 a month. You have $10k a year left
https://www.apartments.com/3750-williamson-rd-nw-roanoke-va/gftftzy/
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Anonymous wrote:And I make a big deal about him being white and a veteran, because I think a lot of people who oppose the minimum wage do so because they think it's all POC and younger people. Not true.


There are so many people like this—they deserve a fair wage and the dignity that comes with it.
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