McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS

[Anonymous]

How do you get this started? I live in Burke and would like to leave the FCPS system and have a more local school board that doesn't focus on national social justice issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

Ah, I see you have no solution and will just continue to bitch and call the situation “ugly” without providing any bright ideas. Which is why no one takes you seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing so hard at everyone saying they pay more taxes in McLean so they deserve more. Pretty sure you knew what you were getting into when you bought a huge house in an expensive part of the county!! LOL.

Try to keep up. It's more like they've said they pay a lot of taxes, so it seems like they should certainly get the same as everyone else.

It has only become obvious relatively recently that the county and FCPS now believe there should be an inverse relationship: the more you pay, the less you get in return.

Poor McLean. The Langley renovation has driven you crazy. You can't even make logical arguments.

The Langley renovation mismanagement by FCPS was absolutely classic of the problem. Langley was being renovated. Instead of doing a good job, they went over the top and added a whole addition to a school that didn't need it.

OMG. Will you stop it? Adding an addition at the same time as renovation makes sense. And good thing they did since McLean will likely need to send some of its kids there until they get an expansion. If they hadn’t expanded Langley when they did, there would be no place for those McLean students to go.

DP. If you go back and check the CIPs FCPS said for 3-4 years in a row they were increasing Langley’s capacity to 2100 during the renovation. Then in the year the renovation was finished they said they’d actually bumped it up to over 2350 seats. It wasn’t very transparent. And it’s now three years later and they haven’t moved anyone to Langley because they haven’t figured out who to move or whether they can move kids to Cooper at the same time.

So, yes, as a general matter it may be efficient to add capacity to a school during a renovation, but the planning here was still haphazard and they’ve nothing to add or budget for additional permanent seats at the school that was actually experiencing more growth.

I agree with you that FCPS has bungled the planning, but again - since they can’t seem to manage an addition at McLean, it’s fortunate that Langley is now in a position to help relieve overcrowding there.

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

I don’t think it has anything to do with that. FCPS is too big to manage. It would be nice to be part of a smaller local school system that can better serve its population. I would feel that way even if McLean was not a wealthy area.

You haven't read this thread then.

Why would people want to live in a jurisdiction that treats them as a piggy bank and provides them with inferior services if there was a better alternative? People make such choices all the time.

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The people hysterically criticizing this proposal and insisting it’s doomed for failure are beyond transparent. They simply want the status quo - their schools fully funded by taxpayers who receive none of the same benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Zoning. It's about zoning. That's not FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Zoning. It's about zoning. That's not FCPS.

What are you talking about? FCPS as a whole has fallen off the cliff with its “equity” nonsense, and from this all things have followed. The school system is coasting on its once excellent reputation. The last decade or so has made it abundantly clear how absurd things have become. Zoning may be a part of this, but mainly it’s insanely bad planning and choices on the part of FCPS. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Zoning. It's about zoning. That's not FCPS.

What are you talking about? FCPS as a whole has fallen off the cliff with its “equity” nonsense, and from this all things have followed. The school system is coasting on its once excellent reputation. The last decade or so has made it abundantly clear how absurd things have become. Zoning may be a part of this, but mainly it’s insanely bad planning and choices on the part of FCPS. Period.

No, it's about zoning. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Zoning. It's about zoning. That's not FCPS.

What are you talking about? FCPS as a whole has fallen off the cliff with its “equity” nonsense, and from this all things have followed. The school system is coasting on its once excellent reputation. The last decade or so has made it abundantly clear how absurd things have become. Zoning may be a part of this, but mainly it’s insanely bad planning and choices on the part of FCPS. Period.

No, it's about zoning. Sorry. [/quot
So perhaps there are two benefits at once – that’s great! Stop trying to drive a wedge.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It’s entirely about FCPS and their disgraceful mismanagement.

No, it's not. It's about other issues.

No, it’s not. If FCPS was doing their job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Zoning. It's about zoning. That's not FCPS.

What are you talking about? FCPS as a whole has fallen off the cliff with its “equity” nonsense, and from this all things have followed. The school system is coasting on its once excellent reputation. The last decade or so has made it abundantly clear how absurd things have become. Zoning may be a part of this, but mainly it’s insanely bad planning and choices on the part of FCPS. Period.

^ This.

[Anonymous]

Citizen of McLean here. I love this idea!!! How to help make this happens?

[Anonymous]

Good move for Mclean, no good for FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Citizen of McLean here. I love this idea!!! How to help make this happens?

Citizen of Great Falls. Sounds good to me too can I come? !