McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what the Langley parents think?

Langley parent here. This is the first I’m hearing about this and I think it’s a fantastic idea.

Does that support include if you are not included in the city boundaries?

As Langley is squarely in McLean, then we would obviously be included.

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I might move to McLean if they do. I hate the inefficiencies of the large school districts around here.

+1

But what happens to the areas currently zoned for McLean High but physically their address is Falls Church i. 22043 or Vienna in 22182? I'm in one of these. I wanted to buy in McLean High zoned McLean, but it was too expensive. So I went further west outside the beltway where the address is Vienna but its zoned for McLean High. I still paid $$$ to buy that house. I'd be annoyed if we get rezoned to Langley or Madison.

You are getting.rezoned.to Langley.regardless because of the overcrowding at McLean JS

[Anonymous]

Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

It's about zoning. To others, especially on this thread, it's about schools.

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

[Anonymous]

There will be current McLean HS addresses- that would not attend Mclean city HS in the future. As you look at their boundary map- with the island and the Northern section above adjacent to the toll road and west of 495- they will not be in the city limits.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing so hard at everyone saying they pay more taxes in McLean so they deserve more. Pretty sure you knew what you were getting into when you bought a huge house in an expensive part of the county!! LOL.

Try to keep up. It's more like they've said they pay a lot of taxes, so it seems like they should certainly get the same as everyone else.

It has only become obvious relatively recently that the county and FCPS now believe there should be an inverse relationship: the more you pay, the less you get in return.

Poor McLean. The Langley renovation has driven you crazy. You can't even make logical arguments.

The Langley renovation mismanagement by FCPS was absolutely classic of the problem. Langley was being renovated. Instead of doing a good job, they went over the top and added a whole addition to a school that didn't need it.

OMG. Will you stop it? Adding an addition at the same time as renovation makes sense. And good thing they did since McLean will likely need to send some of its kids there until they get an expansion. If they hadn’t expanded Langley when they did, there would be no place for those McLean students to go.

DP. If you go back and check the CIPs FCPS said for 3-4 years in a row they were increasing Langley’s capacity to 2100 during the renovation. Then in the year the renovation was finished they said they’d actually bumped it up to over 2350 seats. It wasn’t very transparent. And it’s now three years later and they haven’t moved anyone to Langley because they haven’t figured out who to move or whether they can move kids to Cooper at the same time.

So, yes, as a general matter it may be efficient to add capacity to a school during a renovation, but the planning here was still haphazard and they’ve nothing to add or budget for additional permanent seats at the school that was actually experiencing more growth.

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^ they’ve done nothing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, haven't had time to read thru 27 pages of comments, but is this separation mostly about the schools? Or something else (lack of police protection, other county services)?

I don't live in McLean, but honestly I don't blame folks there for wanting to incorporate. This school system is too big and needs to be broken up. It isn't responsive to the community and it's just broken. It was bad before but the pandemic has really highlighted what a terrible situation this is for many in the county.

Langley people are mostly concerned about county zoning changes and the possibility of getting pushed out of Langley. McLean people are mostly concerned about the under-investment in McLean HS compared to other similarly situated older high schools in FCPS. That’s my take. The concerns in the aggregate bring more people in Great Falls, McLean and nearby areas zoned to Langley or McLean together to speak with one voice than is typically the case (and may well spur them to try to incorporate as a city that’s no longer part of the county).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

I don’t think it has anything to do with that. FCPS is too big to manage. It would be nice to be part of a smaller local school system that can better serve its population. I would feel that way even if McLean was not a wealthy area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

I don’t think it has anything to do with that. FCPS is too big to manage. It would be nice to be part of a smaller local school system that can better serve its population. I would feel that way even if McLean was not a wealthy area.

You haven't read this thread then.

[Anonymous]

Here is what happens once you gut TJ.

Yes, it is that important.

Fund your own agenda with your own money, FCPS. McLean will stick with merit based education here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:moving forward with this would create a school that could rival TJ. Given the changes going on there, this would be welcomed

No it wouldn't. That's not what TJ is.

If you keep all the poors out, the scores will soar!!! Just look at Langley, PP.

So you’re in favor of busing students miles from their homes in order to provide “economic diversity” at Langley? Try actually proposing that and see what kind of reaction you get from those families whose kids you want to sit on buses for hours each day in the name of “equity.” Good luck with that.

Crickets.

You want someone to address your strawman argument? Nope. Sorry.

Strawman? Some idiot (you?) is insisting this whole proposal would be to “keep the poors out.” Which begs the question: how do you propose adding “poors” (not my term) to Langley without busing them in?

Some of you just love to throw tantrums about the lack of “economic diversity” at Langley and McLean. But the reality is, the only way to achieve this would be to bus kids for miles away from their neighborhood schools. But none of you will admit that’s what it would take. You just want to continue pouting and whining. If not busing, then what’s your brilliant solution?

Langley and McLean not only want to keep the poors out, they want to stop "subsidizing" the poors of Fairfax County.

That's not segregation, it's secession. And it's ugly.

I don’t think it has anything to do with that. FCPS is too big to manage. It would be nice to be part of a smaller local school system that can better serve its population. I would feel that way even if McLean was not a wealthy area.

You haven't read this thread then.

Why would people want to live in a jurisdiction that treats them as a piggy bank and provides them with inferior services if there was a better alternative? People make such choices all the time.