Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

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Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Here comes the idiot who's been repeating herself since the origin of this forum.

Didn't you just prove her point about the personal insults?

Is this kind of behavior accepted in your culture? I hope your TJ kids have picked up some manners.

You are lecturing on not insulting people by insulting other people’s culture? Wow, white peopel..

Lol. Probably how she teaches her kids on manners. No wonder there are so many racists.

[Anonymous]

I want everyone to know that we are an Asian family of a TJ kid who was not prepped AT ALL. And we aren't the only ones. STOP SAYING ALL ASIANS PREP THEIR KIDS INTO TJ. IT'S NOT TRUE, AND I'M SICK OF HEARING IT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want everyone to know that we are an Asian family of a TJ kid who was not prepped AT ALL. And we aren't the only ones. STOP SAYING ALL ASIANS PREP THEIR KIDS INTO TJ. IT'S NOT TRUE, AND I'M SICK OF HEARING IT.

Stop shouting. And humblebragging too, while you’re at it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not that hard to understand people of Indian and Chinese origins have very little in common either by looks, culture, or religion (Indians are more of caucasians than “Asians”). So TJ actually has great diversity even in terms of race. The negative posters on this board obviously knew this fact but chose to mislead people by labeling all of them as “Asians “ so that they sound the same. This is such a shame!

I think the fundamental reason for some people constantly attacking TJ is because it’s not a white-dominant school anymore, regardless of the status of diversity.

This is technically correct. It is the fundamental reason for some people attacking TJ, but not that many.

A much larger and more well-reasoned cohort attack TJ from a diversity perspective because a massive amount of resources are sunk into a school whose demographic looks nothing like the county as a whole.

Another big group attacks the TJ admissions process because its emphasis on demonstration of STEM interest favors families who are both willing to drive their students in that direction from an early age (regardless of their actual interests) and have the resources to do so. They've mitigated the test-prep issue slightly with the introduction of the Quant-Q (which should have a much higher barrier to entry).

Like it or not, it's much more socially acceptable for Indian, Chinese, and Korean families (and those from many other cultures) to dictate their child's path than it is for modern-day American families. This is a big part of why nearly 60% of applications every year come from Asian and/or "multiracial" families. It's not a judgment on that culture to point out that aspect of it - indeed, I think many people in those demographics would tell you that they're very proud of that aspect of their culture.

TJ has a reputation - deserved or undeserved - as a hyper-competitive, cutthroat, STEM-only environment that is highly populated by East and South Asian families who are far less concerned with the complete high school experience than they are with optimizing that experience toward elite college admissions. That reputation deters families of all races (indeed, even some Asian families) from a) engaging in the application process to begin with, b) accepting the offer of admission and c) staying once they're there.

There have never been enough Black/Latinx applications to begin with, and White applications have declined precipitously over the past dozen years. The number of those families (especially Black families) who are actually accepted but decline the offer of admission once they attend Freshman Preview Night and see how few folks look like them is heartbreaking and contributes to the chicken-and-egg problem of representation at TJ. You'd have more Black families interested in applying to TJ (and accepting their offers of admission)....if there were more Black families at TJ.

A reasonable view of the reality at TJ. This poster is saying all the same things that the other rude poster(s) are but in a netural tone that tries to engage in dialog as opposed to insults. Kudos!

What you painted is the reality. First gen immigrants are always influenced by their families. This is not new to Indians/Asians. Jews and Russians before this were doing this as well... just that they were few in number relative to the populace and did not look any different from the whites so no one complained. Not the same now. And given the size of India's population, there will always be a steady supply of first gen kids in this country to fill up schools like TJ across the country even as the previous wave of Indians turn into second and third gen Indians, and tend to melt into the pot. That's the demographic reality.

TJ is not as cut throat as you think. The kids themselves don't care about whether you are white or black and you can't blame them or their parents for other non-asian kids choosing to not go there, can you? Also, there is no advantage when it comes to elite admissions by going to TJ. That's a myth. It might benefit the top 5% of the kids but not everyone can be that. The remaining kids would have been better off going to base from a college outcomes perspective. All the parents know that.. They either hope that their kids are in the top 5% or the kids go there because they love STEM. Painting all Asians as going to TJ for their parents' sake is incorrect and wrong.

At the end of the day everyone has to make the choice whether to go or not. I don't care much about the white kids choosing not to go only because most are fully aware of their choices and have "white privilege" going for them. Blacks and Hispanic kids should and must be encouraged to attend if that's their passion. Imagine how the first Chinese or Indian kid that attended TJ must have felt? Parents should encourage their kids to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want everyone to know that we are an Asian family of a TJ kid who was not prepped AT ALL. And we aren't the only ones. STOP SAYING ALL ASIANS PREP THEIR KIDS INTO TJ. IT'S NOT TRUE, AND I'M SICK OF HEARING IT.

Well, when your kid bombs a test, you have to blame it on something!

[Anonymous]

TJ haters advocate for a communist system that even China and Soviet Union abandoned. It’s pure evil and destroys all the good things (not just TJ). Equal outcome is communism and will never work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ haters advocate for a communist system that even China and Soviet Union abandoned. It’s pure evil and destroys all the good things (not just TJ). Equal outcome is communism and will never work.

Some people support equal opportunity only as long as it works for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want everyone to know that we are an Asian family of a TJ kid who was not prepped AT ALL. And we aren't the only ones. STOP SAYING ALL ASIANS PREP THEIR KIDS INTO TJ. IT'S NOT TRUE, AND I'M SICK OF HEARING IT.

Stop shouting. And humblebragging too, while you’re at it.

That was not a humblebrag. It was a direct statement, which I am shouting because I'm so frustrated by all of the stereotyping.

[Anonymous]

For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

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Anonymous wrote:I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

I agree. I think this is comparable to sports recruiting at public colleges. I'm not trying to offend Asians, but let's be honest, you don't often find many of them at the top levels of sports (for whatever reasons - could be lack of interest, drive, talent, different cultural values, or any number of other reasons) . Chances are, any public college's sports teams are going to have a very small percentage of Asians. The sports teams are selective for a reason and recruiting players who don't meet the team's standards in the name of equity just because the funds are largely public would do a disservice to everyone involved- the fans, schools, teammates, etc... There are certain things that are selective for a reason (that being, in TJ's case, the advancement of sci/tech, which is a hugely important mission for our country), and watering them down in the name of equity, or doing away with them altogether, would do a great disservice to a lot of people, as well as put us on the slippery slope to a communist society. Things like TJ, the NBA, the NHL, American Ballet Theater, the ClevelandClinic, [insert greatness here] ... are what make America great, y'all. If we keep them meritocracies, we'll continue to have the best of the best. If we water them down so everything will be equal, we'll be a country of mediocrity, and we can say goodbye to innovation.

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Anonymous wrote:For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

You say doing extra math is prepping but doing extra sports during school years to get to a good college on the basis of sports, what's that? Is that prepping too? If yes, then people work hard towards things they think they can be good at. For some people it's sports and for some people it's stem.

Why do people complain when people take extra STEM classes but don't complain when people do extra stuff in sports!

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Anonymous wrote:For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

You say doing extra math is prepping but doing extra sports during school years to get to a good college on the basis of sports, what's that? Is that prepping too? If yes, then people work hard towards things they think they can be good at. For some people it's sports and for some people it's stem.

Why do people complain when people take extra STEM classes but don't complain when people do extra stuff in sports!

Also, just to hone in on the point that this is a racist issue, take Tiger Woods for example. His dad (black) trained/prepped/pushed/ encouraged/instilled a love of (however you're inclined to characterize what he did) him in golf ever since he could first walk. For the most part, people look upon that with interest and admiration. However, if it was Tiger's mom (Asian) who did the exact same thing, then she would be an abusive tiger mom and be vilified and looked down upon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

You say doing extra math is prepping but doing extra sports during school years to get to a good college on the basis of sports, what's that? Is that prepping too? If yes, then people work hard towards things they think they can be good at. For some people it's sports and for some people it's stem.

Why do people complain when people take extra STEM classes but don't complain when people do extra stuff in sports!

Dude, get with the program! When Asians do something extra, its prepping and WRONG. When White people do it, it's called enrichment and should be admired. Did you miss the orientation when you got off the boat?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

You say doing extra math is prepping but doing extra sports during school years to get to a good college on the basis of sports, what's that? Is that prepping too? If yes, then people work hard towards things they think they can be good at. For some people it's sports and for some people it's stem.

Why do people complain when people take extra STEM classes but don't complain when people do extra stuff in sports!

Dude, get with the program! When Asians do something extra, its prepping and WRONG. When White people do it, it's called enrichment and should be admired. Did you miss the orientation when you got off the boat?!

LOL..so true.

I feel we should just back off from this generalizations. Let people do things they are good at. As a human being we all have to work hard and contribute to the society.
Excelling in sports isn't easy and excelling in STEM isn't easy. So people who do well in either of these fields, give them some credit and don't downplay their achievements as prepped kids.

There are instances where kids are forced by parents to do better in STEM and some kids have pressure of doing better in Sports. Both approaches aren't good for kids but not ALL STEM kids and not ALL Sports kids are forced or prepped to death. To excel in anything, you have to do extra. Its not like you are cheating. You are working extra hard.