Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

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Anonymous wrote:For some people prepping is so normal they don’t consider it prepping... tons of families I know don’t think they are “prepping”.
“Everyone” does extra math and such...

You say doing extra math is prepping but doing extra sports during school years to get to a good college on the basis of sports, what's that? Is that prepping too? If yes, then people work hard towards things they think they can be good at. For some people it's sports and for some people it's stem.

Why do people complain when people take extra STEM classes but don't complain when people do extra stuff in sports!

Dude, get with the program! When Asians do something extra, its prepping and WRONG. When White people do it, it's called enrichment and should be admired. Did you miss the orientation when you got off the boat?!

LOL..so true.

I feel we should just back off from this generalizations. Let people do things they are good at. As a human being we all have to work hard and contribute to the society.
Excelling in sports isn't easy and excelling in STEM isn't easy. So people who do well in either of these fields, give them some credit and don't downplay their achievements as prepped kids.

There are instances where kids are forced by parents to do better in STEM and some kids have pressure of doing better in Sports. Both approaches aren't good for kids but not ALL STEM kids and not ALL Sports kids are forced or prepped to death. To excel in anything, you have to do extra. Its not like you are cheating. You are working extra hard.

Agree. The Anti-asian strawman argument goes:

Too many Asians at TJ. Why?
- They prep.
- They are forced to go there
- Therefore they must be automatons with no free will

We need to save them from that misery! Let's shut down TJ to liberate those poor Asian kids!

Asian Kids scratching their heads going.. But..But.. we study because we really like to. We want to get into good colleges and be successful in life!

Racist person who thinks he's a good samaritan: Nah! That would make you better than us. We have limited your admission to colleges. We will admit a few token blacks (from Nigeria) and hispanics (from Spain) and claim to be "diverse" and keep you down! Our dumbass kid who can throw a ball 100yards deserves to be at Harvard, not you!

That's the American Way!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

+1 The football and basketball teams don’t represent the demographics of the county!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

+1 The football and basketball teams don’t represent the demographics of the county!

Yes, as an Asian American, I could have bitched about this and asked to shut down all sport teams because of lack of equity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember at one point TJ had a mission statement that discussed how TJ would pilot teaching approaches methods that could be deployed more broadly in FCPS. At some point that got dropped and the mission statement (or equivalent) focused almost entirely on what TJ could do for its own students.

It really was a bait-and-switch on county residents. I hope they make it a school for the kids who live near the school again.

Why did it get dropped? If more schools in FCPS would raise the bar and hire teachers that can teach similar to TJ, it would be a good thing for the whole county and would reduce the concentration talent vying for TJ.

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I support the idea of an objective review of TJ's history, performance, and costs and benefits to the county. I would not trust FCPS to hire a consultant for that purpose, but a citizen advisory committee composed of county residents with different backgrounds would make sense.

There need to be different views heard than those of TJ shills who suggest that the dearth of Asians on pro basketball teams somehow demonstrates that TJ should just continue in its current form with no meaningful scrutiny

[Anonymous]

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Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

Who knew that Texas was full of Bolsheviks. It's not uncommon for citizens to recommend that school systems with finite resources cut back on magnet programs, when they (and not just magnet parents) are given a voice in the process.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190104/aisd-task-force-recommends-cutting-magnets-closing-15-schools

That's what actual democracy, not Communism, looks like. It sounds like you don't have much experience with the former.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

Who knew that Texas was full of Bolsheviks. It's not uncommon for citizens to recommend that school systems with finite resources cut back on magnet programs, when they (and not just magnet parents) are given a voice in the process.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190104/aisd-task-force-recommends-cutting-magnets-closing-15-schools

That's what actual democracy, not Communism, looks like. It sounds like you don't have much experience with the former.

Dude. I'm saying the same thing. Follow due process and get TJ closed. As you noticed in the article, it was not just magnet schools closing but many more cost cutting items were on the table in a county that obviously has financial problems and under-populated schools. Let's do it and see if your POV wins. Don't just show up here and call people who don't like your idea racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I support the idea of an objective review of TJ's history, performance, and costs and benefits to the county. I would not trust FCPS to hire a consultant for that purpose, but a citizen advisory committee composed of county residents with different backgrounds would make sense.

There need to be different views heard than those of TJ shills who suggest that the dearth of Asians on pro basketball teams somehow demonstrates that TJ should just continue in its current form with no meaningful scrutiny

Couldn't agree more. Hopefully everyone will have a say and not just the anti-TJ crowd. We'll see how that pans out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

Who knew that Texas was full of Bolsheviks. It's not uncommon for citizens to recommend that school systems with finite resources cut back on magnet programs, when they (and not just magnet parents) are given a voice in the process.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190104/aisd-task-force-recommends-cutting-magnets-closing-15-schools

That's what actual democracy, not Communism, looks like. It sounds like you don't have much experience with the former.

Dude. I'm saying the same thing. Follow due process and get TJ closed. As you noticed in the article, it was not just magnet schools closing but many more cost cutting items were on the table in a county that obviously has financial problems and under-populated schools. Let's do it and see if your POV wins. Don't just show up here and call people who don't like your idea racist.

You are either conflating posters or trying to confuse people into thinking that anyone who favors a comprehensive review of TJ's costs and benefits has called others racist. That's unfortunate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

+1 The football and basketball teams don’t represent the demographics of the county!

TJ is all taxpayer money unlike sports team. Totally not the same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

+1 The football and basketball teams don’t represent the demographics of the county!

TJ is all taxpayer money unlike sports team. Totally not the same

Sports aren't meritocracies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is literally no spin on the current environment at TJ that hasn't been spun many times before.

Diversity among the 70-75% Asian population does not speak to the fact that TJ is in no way representative of FCPS, nor to the fact that few black, Hispanic and FARMS students attend the school.

Any suggestion that this is not acceptable, and that the School Board should look at this as well as the other impact that TJ has on other schools and students within FCPS are invariably met with dismissals of those concerns and, eventually, pointed personal attacks on anyone who dares raise them. The intent is obvious but none the less offensive: to intimidate any School Board or community members who might raise such issues or demand a broader review of the costs and benefits of continuing to operate TJ in its current form.

It is not a good look, and at some point the officials will take on the TJ lobby, despite the pitchforks that you are always sharpening.

Yeah.. you start off by calling Asians racist and whine like a pu**y when someone calls you that back! Look, most parents (including me) on this board with TJ kids could care less if TJ is gone in the next few years. They will be done with TJ by then. We only support the idea of TJ. The thought of taking the #1 school in the country and destroying it in the name of equity is what happens in a bolshevik revolution. I'm glad that will never happen in this country. If it does, we are doomed.

I don't buy the idea that a magnet school should represent the population mix of the county or even the country where it exists. It's my right to have that opinion and express it. It's called the first amendment. You have a right to hold and express an opposite view. that's your right. Nobody is stopping you from going about changing that following due process. Don't expect that to be easy because that's how democracy works (in case you don't understand that).

Oh, and the next time you see someone intimidate or threaten a school board member, please call the cops.. That should keep the TJ gangsters on motorcycles at bay while you push your commie agenda.

+1 The football and basketball teams don’t represent the demographics of the county!

TJ is all taxpayer money unlike sports team. Totally not the same

Sports aren't meritocracies?

Sports teams are funded differently than the schools. So, a different set of considerations to take into account.

[Anonymous]

It’s really a diversion to try and refocus the discussion on whether Asians at TJ are lousy athletes. That has very little to do with whether FCPS should continue to operate a magnet school that distorts the allocation of resources, attention, and opportunities within the school system. And FCPS isn’t operating a special magnet for the best quarterbacks and sprinters in any event.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really a diversion to try and refocus the discussion on whether Asians at TJ are lousy athletes. That has very little to do with whether FCPS should continue to operate a magnet school that distorts the allocation of resources, attention, and opportunities within the school system. And FCPS isn’t operating a special magnet for the best quarterbacks and sprinters in any event.

Parent of a non-Asian-American senior at TJ here. TJ is an effort to create a magnet program for the smartest, most driven, STEM-oriented kids, regardless of their ethnic background. The impacts it has on the rest of the school system are not large, and TJ should not be on chopping block any more than any other specialized program offered by FCPS (i.e. immersion, Project Opportunity (https://bryanths.fcps.edu/resources/project-opportunity), technical education programs (https://www.fcps.edu/academics/high-school-academics-9-12/career-and-technical-education-cte/academies-and-specialized), etc. The resources devoted to any of these programs do not "benefit" everybody, and thus "distort the allocation of resources, attention, and opportunities within the school system." I think any reasonable and open-minded examination of TJ would conclude that on balance it is immensely beneficial to the students it serves and the school system as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really a diversion to try and refocus the discussion on whether Asians at TJ are lousy athletes. That has very little to do with whether FCPS should continue to operate a magnet school that distorts the allocation of resources, attention, and opportunities within the school system. And FCPS isn’t operating a special magnet for the best quarterbacks and sprinters in any event.

Parent of a non-Asian-American senior at TJ here. TJ is an effort to create a magnet program for the smartest, most driven, STEM-oriented kids, regardless of their ethnic background. The impacts it has on the rest of the school system are not large, and TJ should not be on chopping block any more than any other specialized program offered by FCPS (i.e. immersion, Project Opportunity (https://bryanths.fcps.edu/resources/project-opportunity), technical education programs (https://www.fcps.edu/academics/high-school-academics-9-12/career-and-technical-education-cte/academies-and-specialized), etc. The resources devoted to any of these programs do not "benefit" everybody, and thus "distort the allocation of resources, attention, and opportunities within the school system." I think any reasonable and open-minded examination of TJ would conclude that on balance it is immensely beneficial to the students it serves and the school system as a whole.

+ 1. Indian parent with 1 kid at TJ and one not. I've said this several times. While a lot of current parents will fight for TJ on this board, you have to realize that by the time anything is done (if at all) to shut down TJ, they would be done and gone and have no skin in the game. As a community, we have to decide if Fairfax county and Virginia wants to shut down the #1 school in the country. I believe it's been tried before and failed because the community at large thinks it's a bad idea. However, anyone who wants to do that should and must try through the proper channels (school board resolution, virginia house of delegates?? Not sure what it would take). However, be prepared for a fight. Many people with common sense and sense of purpose/vision bigger than just their neighborhood will definitely will not want TJ shut down. Just ain't gonna happen.

What's the alternative? Allocations based on race? Lawsuit heaven.

Allocations by middle school? I believe it's been tried and didn't work out.

At the end of the day, we DO have equality of opportunity. The entrance process could be changed to accommodate more people and counter "prepping". Maybe get rid of "demonstrated STEM experience" pre-high school. Maybe change the math test to be like the science test...more focused on how kids think as opposed to what they know. However, NOTHING anyone does is going to take away the commute to TJ. NOTHING is going to take away the fact that the school will be predominantly Asian (at least for the foreseeable future).

What a lot of people want is Equality of outcome. It never has and never will serve the greater good.