Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

That, my friend, is a valid question. That is what you need. From pre-K. It's not hard to find smart kids of any race. African American kids especially deserve this given the generations of abuse. Has to be kids both of whose grand-parents are directly descended from slavery though.. If not, that system will be abused by first-gen Africans, much like what's going on with college admissions.. Harvard counts Nigerians as "African American" to fill up their quota and calls itself woke! Double the property taxes if that's what it takes..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are definitely racist Asian families in NoVa. We had Indian neighbors who told us point blank they wouldn't send their kids to our neighborhood high school, which our kids were attending at the time, because they didn't like "the look" of the kids (who happened to be mostly black and Hispanic) walking to the school in the morning. Their son got into TJ; when their daughter didn't get in, they sent her to private instead.

I have no idea why a county that supposedly cares about equity and "One Fairfax" would cater to such people. It is simply appalling.



I will say this - we moved to the area and my daughter went to Carson. For the first few month she was upset that kids (she is in AAP) would not be friends with her because she is "not Asian". Eventually, she made friends - of all ethnicities. But I have heard point blank from some parents that my family is ok because even though I am white, I am a first generation immigrant. Call it what you will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are definitely racist Asian families in NoVa. We had Indian neighbors who told us point blank they wouldn't send their kids to our neighborhood high school, which our kids were attending at the time, because they didn't like "the look" of the kids (who happened to be mostly black and Hispanic) walking to the school in the morning. Their son got into TJ; when their daughter didn't get in, they sent her to private instead.

I have no idea why a county that supposedly cares about equity and "One Fairfax" would cater to such people. It is simply appalling.



I will say this - we moved to the area and my daughter went to Carson. For the first few month she was upset that kids (she is in AAP) would not be friends with her because she is "not Asian". Eventually, she made friends - of all ethnicities. But I have heard point blank from some parents that my family is ok because even though I am white, I am a first generation immigrant. Call it what you will.

Pretty sure that "you're not like the rest of them" is just as demeaning when it's Asians referring to white immigrants as it is when it's people referring to black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean vs AAs.

You can't eradicate such behavior, but the system at FCPS with TJ at the top nurtures it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

That, my friend, is a valid question. That is what you need. From pre-K. It's not hard to find smart kids of any race. African American kids especially deserve this given the generations of abuse. Has to be kids both of whose grand-parents are directly descended from slavery though.. If not, that system will be abused by first-gen Africans, much like what's going on with college admissions.. Harvard counts Nigerians as "African American" to fill up their quota and calls itself woke! Double the property taxes if that's what it takes..

A public school system should not be tracking race at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

That, my friend, is a valid question. That is what you need. From pre-K. It's not hard to find smart kids of any race. African American kids especially deserve this given the generations of abuse. Has to be kids both of whose grand-parents are directly descended from slavery though.. If not, that system will be abused by first-gen Africans, much like what's going on with college admissions.. Harvard counts Nigerians as "African American" to fill up their quota and calls itself woke! Double the property taxes if that's what it takes..

A public school system should not be tracking race at all.

Except in the case of African Americans and Native Americans (one group was stolen from and the other was stolen and forced to work for centuries without pay). I also think that this should be limited to kids where they can trace their roots on both parents' side at least 2 generations. That will rule out recent immigrants from Africa or natives from other countries. The next tier of preferential treatment should be based on income and assets regardless of race. Identify the smart kids and nurture them so they are able to compete on an equal footing when competition begins. e.g. TJ entrance test; SAT, etc.

Everything else should be open to everyone based on merit.

My humble opinion, of course..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

That, my friend, is a valid question. That is what you need. From pre-K. It's not hard to find smart kids of any race. African American kids especially deserve this given the generations of abuse. Has to be kids both of whose grand-parents are directly descended from slavery though.. If not, that system will be abused by first-gen Africans, much like what's going on with college admissions.. Harvard counts Nigerians as "African American" to fill up their quota and calls itself woke! Double the property taxes if that's what it takes..

A public school system should not be tracking race at all.

Except in the case of African Americans and Native Americans (one group was stolen from and the other was stolen and forced to work for centuries without pay). I also think that this should be limited to kids where they can trace their roots on both parents' side at least 2 generations. That will rule out recent immigrants from Africa or natives from other countries. The next tier of preferential treatment should be based on income and assets regardless of race. Identify the smart kids and nurture them so they are able to compete on an equal footing when competition begins. e.g. TJ entrance test; SAT, etc.

Everything else should be open to everyone based on merit.

My humble opinion, of course..

Harvard doesn’t explicitly state that they do affirmative action. Affirmative action would be if they did what you are describing. Instead, they strive for racial and international diversity. Ses diversity is separate.

[Anonymous]

We should get rid of a single magnet school and focus instead of strong schools across the county, rather than tie ourselves into knots in a convoluted effort to bestow special privileges on a more demographically correct small subset of students. One of the worst effects of TJ has been the enormous amount of time it has consumed generating proposals to tinker with its admissions criteria, when a single school offering unique opportunities to only a small fraction of FCPS students should never have been established in the first place. FCPS did fine for most of its history without TJHSST.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should get rid of a single magnet school and focus instead of strong schools across the county, rather than tie ourselves into knots in a convoluted effort to bestow special privileges on a more demographically correct small subset of students. One of the worst effects of TJ has been the enormous amount of time it has consumed generating proposals to tinker with its admissions criteria, when a single school offering unique opportunities to only a small fraction of FCPS students should never have been established in the first place. FCPS did fine for most of its history without TJHSST.

There you go again.. "There's a hole in the bucket..."

And what's wrong with aspiring for both? Why sacrifice one for the other? That's a non-starter in many circles. Don't worry your pretty little head about how to fund it. Take the live and let live attitude and money will be found. On the other hand if you start off with a negative attitude ( I want to get rid of TJ) based on jealousy (Jealous of hard-working Asians), others have no incentive to support you or your plans.

I know, I know. The new school board is going to change the world.. Dream on..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

Because FCPS doesn't want to pay from PreK through middle school for an all in supporting type of program... And let's be real here, this is the type of support that would be needed at a minimum to educate the kids who do not have the opportunities a typical TJ attendee has. I actually think that from a funding perspective it's doable because many people in this county would legitimately support paying a bit more tax for a serious attempt at lowering the racial gap at the elite TJ level.

But FCPS would neeever do it as it would open up a can of worms as to how they're finding and selecting kids for these programs which would lead to the same type of equity issues on this thread but within minority groups. Also FCPS doesn't come close to prepping for TJ with its AAP program; it's the high quality outside school enrichment programs + dedicated parenting at early ages that achieves this, which means FCPS could not feasibly do it.

[Anonymous]

Getting rid of Moon on the SB was the first step. More to follow.

[Anonymous]

DC has PK3 and PK4. Has that shown to be effective? Why can't FCPS do that?
It would be nice if Bezos demonstrated his commitment to this area and started up a Milton Hershey-like school for low-income, high-potential students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC has PK3 and PK4. Has that shown to be effective? Why can't FCPS do that?
It would be nice if Bezos demonstrated his commitment to this area and started up a Milton Hershey-like school for low-income, high-potential students.

That is a funny statement. There are a lot of areas (thousands?) that need a Milton Hershey school before NoVa. Also, that is a boarding school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had separate but equal education in the US under segragation.

I don't understand why there is not more of an emphasis
on getting local African American children who qualify for enrollment to get them enrolled rather than operating an elite high school on taxpayer dime that educates Spaniards from Spain and dark skinned students from Africa who come from elite families in their native lands.

Because FCPS doesn't want to pay from PreK through middle school for an all in supporting type of program... And let's be real here, this is the type of support that would be needed at a minimum to educate the kids who do not have the opportunities a typical TJ attendee has. I actually think that from a funding perspective it's doable because many people in this county would legitimately support paying a bit more tax for a serious attempt at lowering the racial gap at the elite TJ level.

But FCPS would neeever do it as it would open up a can of worms as to how they're finding and selecting kids for these programs which would lead to the same type of equity issues on this thread but within minority groups. Also FCPS doesn't come close to prepping for TJ with its AAP program; it's the high quality outside school enrichment programs + dedicated parenting at early ages that achieves this, which means FCPS could not feasibly do it.

I remember reading that Hunter college high school, which has come under fire in recent years for operating like a private school with mysterious selection, expensive testing, etc, wanted to identify urms to help them get in but it wasn’t allowed to get any kids’ names or contact information from the DOE.

[Anonymous]

The bottom line is that strong school systems neither need nor want a single magnet school at the HS level. They use their resources efficiently and equitably to support all their schools, and they don't want the perceived strength of one school masking the weakness in others.

Whether TJ parents like it or not, TJ is a testament to the willingness of county leaders back in the 1980s to sacrifice quality and fairness for flash. Its long-term effects on FCPS have been largely negative. Yes, it attracts some people to the county, but it has contributed to the decline of other schools and communities, and it sends a message to non-Asian students every day that they do not deserve equal treatment or resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that strong school systems neither need nor want a single magnet school at the HS level. They use their resources efficiently and equitably to support all their schools, and they don't want the perceived strength of one school masking the weakness in others.

Whether TJ parents like it or not, TJ is a testament to the willingness of county leaders back in the 1980s to sacrifice quality and fairness for flash. Its long-term effects on FCPS have been largely negative. Yes, it attracts some people to the county, but it has contributed to the decline of other schools and communities, and it sends a message to non-Asian students every day that they do not deserve equal treatment or resources.

Strong school systems do have magnets. Many, many do. Not talking about tiny segregated single-district towns in NY with $30k/yr in property taxes.