Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

Didn't say he wasn't a rapist, but if that's your primary obsession so be it.
You're not the almighty arbiter of saints and sinners so doubtful anyone gives a shit what you think - I know I don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

The way I read his apology was that there was enough there that a guilty verdict in court was possible. And he didn’t want to go to court anyway. His apology was part of the settlement. Not a legal expert but I felt like he was forced to say that.

I think you need to do more reading. The forensic evidence strongly suggests that he forcibly raped her. He himself later came as close as possible to admitting that while still maintaining his essential innocence which is bullshit by the way (I'm sorry you're offended. I'm sorry you feel that I raped you).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

He raped her and the system let him get away with it but because he's a black super star athlete who later had a bunch of daughters and did some nice things for women's basketball, we're racist if we bring that up.

Umm...not exactly. She dropped the case and settled. She also partied and bragged about having sex with him. She even continued to have sex with numerous male partners. And yet, she only claimed rape from him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

Well he wasn’t convicted. So technically, no he isn’t a rapist. What is known is she settled and was fine accepting money.

[Anonymous]

Ok if you're cool with defending a known SELF-ADMITTED rapist, be my guest. Just know you're on the wrong side!

[Anonymous]

Just because we watched him on TV shooting hoops does not mean that we know him and his personal life. I don't want to say that he was a great dad and husband. That is for his kids and wife to say. He was a very successful basketball player and had a lot of privilege that money, celebrity and connections get you.

I do agree with the WaPo columnist that his life work felt incomplete. He won fame and fortune in basketball and at least his professional basketball life was complete. I would like to believe that if he had lived, he would have reinvented himself as a philanthropist or women's right advocate mainly because he was the dad of 4 girls and he was also atoning. We will never know now.

For me, a woman who is not into sports, he will always be the person who raped a young girl, a teenager, and got away with it because of his money and intimidation of the accuser, that meant that I could never watch him or admire him. As for his wife? You can call her complicit in accepting the rape rock, or brave for salvaging her family, but curious minds want to know, how can you trust a husband after such a huge betrayal?

The problem with Kobe Bryant is that while he settled with the victim and saved himself legal problems, he never won true forgiveness for that act. His subsequent actions (support for WNBA, Mamba academy etc) may be interpreted as supporting women or could be interpreted as self-serving in expanding his business interests and furthering Gigi's career. He did not live long for us to know.

As for the rest - he was a great basketball player, and he made his fortune and fame in the game. That part was not left unresolved and unfinished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

Well he wasn’t convicted. So technically, no he isn’t a rapist. What is known is she settled and was fine accepting money.

Yes, "legally" he was not a rapist and was not put in the sex offender registry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

The way I read his apology was that there was enough there that a guilty verdict in court was possible. And he didn’t want to go to court anyway. His apology was part of the settlement. Not a legal expert but I felt like he was forced to say that.

I think you need to do more reading. The forensic evidence strongly suggests that he forcibly raped her. He himself later came as close as possible to admitting that while still maintaining his essential innocence which is bullshit by the way (I'm sorry you're offended. I'm sorry you feel that I raped you).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

He raped her and the system let him get away with it but because he's a black super star athlete who later had a bunch of daughters and did some nice things for women's basketball, we're racist if we bring that up.

Umm...not exactly. She dropped the case and settled. She also partied and bragged about having sex with him. She even continued to have sex with numerous male partners. And yet, she only claimed rape from him.

Maybe, because only Kobe raped her? I am glad she chose to reclaim her life and move on and enjoy sex. It seems Kobe's wife did the same and continued to make babies with her husband.

[Anonymous]

I feel bad for the other parents and kids who took the helicopter with him. They would have been alive if they did not hitch a ride with him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

The way I read his apology was that there was enough there that a guilty verdict in court was possible. And he didn’t want to go to court anyway. His apology was part of the settlement. Not a legal expert but I felt like he was forced to say that.

I think you need to do more reading. The forensic evidence strongly suggests that he forcibly raped her. He himself later came as close as possible to admitting that while still maintaining his essential innocence which is bullshit by the way (I'm sorry you're offended. I'm sorry you feel that I raped you).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

He raped her and the system let him get away with it but because he's a black super star athlete who later had a bunch of daughters and did some nice things for women's basketball, we're racist if we bring that up.

Umm...not exactly. She dropped the case and settled. She also partied and bragged about having sex with him. She even continued to have sex with numerous male partners. And yet, she only claimed rape from him.

Maybe, because only Kobe raped her? I am glad she chose to reclaim her life and move on and enjoy sex. It seems Kobe's wife did the same and continued to make babies with her husband.

No it was that same day.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

How do you know this?

Yes. Please explain. This was not his reputation after the scandal. He was known as a devoted family after the assault allegations.

Not the same poster, but it was reported his wife accused him of having over 100 affairs when she initially filed for divorce. She decided not to divorce him. It was reported the news of affairs came from other basketball wives who heard it from their husbands.

Ive never heard this. I think you’re mixing up your basketball players

DP. Even I know this about Kobe and I didn’t follow him too closely.

You didn’t follow him closely, but have heard this? I followed him closely and never have. From all accounts, he was scandal free, since the Colorado thing. Show a past quote or proof about all the cheating. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat, I’m saying it never came out after Colorado

Vanessa filed for divorce in 2011 and they reconciled in 2013. At the time she filed for divorce, there was speculation that it was because of multiple affairs. Here's an article I just found by googling: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-wife-vanessa-bryant-allegedly-caught-him-cheating-with-multiple-women-121811

His reputation once they reconciled seems to have been of a family man and devoted "girldad" but there were a few years after the scandal where that was not the case.

[Anonymous]

If he had not settled, his career would have gone the way of Mike Tyson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok if you're cool with defending a known SELF-ADMITTED rapist, be my guest. Just know you're on the wrong side!

I mean if you’re cool with defending your stance without actually researching then know you’re missed informed. He never admitted to raping anyone. He admitted to having sex with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just because we watched him on TV shooting hoops does not mean that we know him and his personal life. I don't want to say that he was a great dad and husband. That is for his kids and wife to say. He was a very successful basketball player and had a lot of privilege that money, celebrity and connections get you.

I do agree with the WaPo columnist that his life work felt incomplete. He won fame and fortune in basketball and at least his professional basketball life was complete. I would like to believe that if he had lived, he would have reinvented himself as a philanthropist or women's right advocate mainly because he was the dad of 4 girls and he was also atoning. We will never know now.

For me, a woman who is not into sports, he will always be the person who raped a young girl, a teenager, and got away with it because of his money and intimidation of the accuser, that meant that I could never watch him or admire him. As for his wife? You can call her complicit in accepting the rape rock, or brave for salvaging her family, but curious minds want to know, how can you trust a husband after such a huge betrayal?

The problem with Kobe Bryant is that while he settled with the victim and saved himself legal problems, he never won true forgiveness for that act. His subsequent actions (support for WNBA, Mamba academy etc) may be interpreted as supporting women or could be interpreted as self-serving in expanding his business interests and furthering Gigi's career. He did not live long for us to know.

As for the rest - he was a great basketball player, and he made his fortune and fame in the game. That part was not left unresolved and unfinished.

I don't understand why as a nation we are ok to let powerful men abuse women with no repucussions? This is not a good look, America!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he had not settled, his career would have gone the way of Mike Tyson.

Disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just because we watched him on TV shooting hoops does not mean that we know him and his personal life. I don't want to say that he was a great dad and husband. That is for his kids and wife to say. He was a very successful basketball player and had a lot of privilege that money, celebrity and connections get you.

I do agree with the WaPo columnist that his life work felt incomplete. He won fame and fortune in basketball and at least his professional basketball life was complete. I would like to believe that if he had lived, he would have reinvented himself as a philanthropist or women's right advocate mainly because he was the dad of 4 girls and he was also atoning. We will never know now.

For me, a woman who is not into sports, he will always be the person who raped a young girl, a teenager, and got away with it because of his money and intimidation of the accuser, that meant that I could never watch him or admire him. As for his wife? You can call her complicit in accepting the rape rock, or brave for salvaging her family, but curious minds want to know, how can you trust a husband after such a huge betrayal?

The problem with Kobe Bryant is that while he settled with the victim and saved himself legal problems, he never won true forgiveness for that act. His subsequent actions (support for WNBA, Mamba academy etc) may be interpreted as supporting women or could be interpreted as self-serving in expanding his business interests and furthering Gigi's career. He did not live long for us to know.

As for the rest - he was a great basketball player, and he made his fortune and fame in the game. That part was not left unresolved and unfinished.

Well the millions of people mourning will disagree with you.