Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The helicopter ferrying basketball legend Kobe Bryant and eight others that slammed into a hillside near Los Angeles Sunday wasn’t equipped with a device designed to warn pilots when they’re in danger of hitting rising terrain.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-29/kobe-bryant-s-copter-lacked-terrain-warning-device-ntsb-says?srnd=premium&sref=tmIR2vcd&utm_source=url_link&__twitter_impression=true

I want to know if that is an industry standard for that helicopter type? Or was this helicopter less safe that other similar helicopters flying around LA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posting here some thoughts from a licensed pilot:


NTSB officials said the pilot had asked for and received special clearance to fly in heavy fog just minutes before the crash.

Flying in inherently dangerous, rules are in place for safety reasons. Manipulating the rules even if it's legal can get you killed. The pilot's altitude and course were erratic indicating he was flying in and out of instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) and he had no situational awareness and ultimately flew into the ground. Basically what he was doing is called scud running. Scud running can cause vertigo really fast because you are looking outside the aircraft into the soup, the fog, the clouds. You can’t tell up from down or left from right, you have to depend on the instruments. In my view, his first mistake was not filling an instrument flight plan before take-off. His second mistake was not filling IFR in the air after the weather started to deteriorate. His third mistake was to continue on a prayer and a hope the weather was going to get better. His fourth mistake was he was not being truthful with Air Traffic Control (ATC), there is no way he maintained visual flight conditions (VFR). His fifth mistake he squawked 1200 and descended below a good altitude for radar contact. I called the pilot’s actions a mistake because his actions lead to the end result. There are indications the aircraft's speed was 184 MPH and descending at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute when it struck the ground. That would mean the pilot lost all situational awareness and ground impact was imminent. At that speed and rate of descent, death was instant.

A better choice in my view would be to file an IFR flight plan, program it into his flight management system, get his clearance, take off and turn on the autopilot. If his course needed to change ATC would have given him vectors, all the way to his destination. The S-76 max cruising altitude is 20,000 feet. The pilot's last reported altitude was 1200 feet. And It has the state of the art navigational equipment installed. He could have made an instrument approach at his destination and he didn't need 5,000 feet of runway to land, 200-foot minimums or be traveling at 110 knots as I always did.

I attached a picture of me flying in the soup, IFR, with zero visibility. The white you see behind me is thick clouds. Flying on instruments requires training and experience. I can’t imagine Kobe’s pilot not being instrument rated and current. The NTSB will determine if he was. I find the death of all these individuals so, so unnecessary. R.I.P.

He had over 10,000 hours of flight time experience, which for heli experience is a lot. You are way too presumptuous to know what happened, and to blame it on the pilot.

[Anonymous]

^ seriously? He laid out in a super informed and detailed way how the pilot likely caused the crash through human error. Sounds much like JFK- not trained or didn’t use instruments
properly, relied on visuals and became disoriented, and crashed a otherwise airworthy craft through simple, inadvertent but disastrous human error. It’s not presumption, he had evidence to back up his assertions!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Because most people aren't as hateful as you and the WaPost "journalist."

disagreeing with the herd doesn't make one "hateful"

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

How do you know this?

Yes. Please explain. This was not his reputation after the scandal. He was known as a devoted family after the assault allegations.

Not the same poster, but it was reported his wife accused him of having over 100 affairs when she initially filed for divorce. She decided not to divorce him. It was reported the news of affairs came from other basketball wives who heard it from their husbands.

Ive never heard this. I think you’re mixing up your basketball players

DP. Even I know this about Kobe and I didn’t follow him too closely.

You didn’t follow him closely, but have heard this? I followed him closely and never have. From all accounts, he was scandal free, since the Colorado thing. Show a past quote or proof about all the cheating. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat, I’m saying it never came out after Colorado

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Because most people aren't as hateful as you and the WaPost "journalist."

disagreeing with the herd doesn't make one "hateful"

No, but, waiting until someone has died to bring up something from their past that you didn’t care about before does. Also throwing around rape, when the case was dismissed and settled shows you don’t really know much about the case either. It’s clear that posters like you, and the Washington Post reporter, didn’t actually care about the alleged rape. You both just just enjoy being sh*stirrers and want the attention. Well that reporter got the attention and is now acting confused and scared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

you need to learn more adjectives. being nice to someone in need does not make one humble.

You need to learn a little bit about the word ‘humble’. He didn’t just help people in need, but took time with fans, and used his platform to help lots of people. Now, if you want to discuss the fact that his DNA had an ego attached to it, ok you got me. Any NBA player to get to that league has an ego as it comes with the confidence to be great and expectations to be there.
However, as much as any NBA player, the last 20 years, he used it for some good off the court. On the court, he thought he was the best and he was, as he’d try to crush you.

again, helpful, friendly, generous and humble are different things. i don't understand why you insist that he must be humble - the work nobody ever used to describe him while he was alive.

At least make true statements. I’ve heard many people say that they couldn’t believe how down to earth he was when he was alive.

There is somebody on this thread that does not understand that you can be self confident and humble and also does not understand "leave it on the court".

off the court Kobe Bryant compared himself to Walt Disney in his ability to create imaginary worlds. he was insanely arrogant.

The world will never know. He already had a Grammy for a short animation and plans for an amusement park. Sounds self confident to me.

Oscar not Grammy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

What's your source for this? Because it doesn't match the legit reporting about the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Because most people aren't as hateful as you and the WaPost "journalist."

disagreeing with the herd doesn't make one "hateful"

No, but, waiting until someone has died to bring up something from their past that you didn’t care about before does. Also throwing around rape, when the case was dismissed and settled shows you don’t really know much about the case either. It’s clear that posters like you, and the Washington Post reporter, didn’t actually care about the alleged rape. You both just just enjoy being sh*stirrers and want the attention. Well that reporter got the attention and is now acting confused and scared.

This.

The guy just died and that WaPo reporter Felicia Somnez didn’t even wait 1 hour to post the rape allegation article (note: ALLEGATIONS, not CONVICTION). She didn’t even post a RIP message or anything. Just the rape accusations.

I’ve seen less details about Jeffrey Epstein’s pedo network of crazy things he did when he suicided himself than Kobe’s lone incident. People were more concerned with the security cameras and how Epstein died than the insane nasty things he was actually CONVICTED for post-death.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

What's your source for this? Because it doesn't match the legit reporting about the case.

It was in a newspaper when the incident happened in 2003. (Apparently most of this has been mysteriously scrubbed from the internet )

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

[Anonymous]

It's amazing to me that bringing up the FACT that he raped someone (and later admitted to it) makes you a RACIST.

Meanwhile, if it was a white athlete or politician he'd be "canceled" by now.

This type of hypocrisy is what will get Trump reelected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

The way I read his apology was that there was enough there that a guilty verdict in court was possible. And he didn’t want to go to court anyway. His apology was part of the settlement. Not a legal expert but I felt like he was forced to say that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

Oh please, nobody’s forgetting it. It’s unforgettable. His rape case in Colorado was one of the biggest news stories in recent years and it never fully faded from folks memory. What is forgotten, however, is his apology.

Go back and read it.

Neil Irvin, director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape, said this about Bryant’s apology in 2016 when the Lakers star retired...

”Kobe is the only accused individual who I’ve ever seen provide an apology in writing in my 16 years of doing rape prevention work. I read it and it fits with what I know about rape: survivors don’t lie. I know we’ve been taught to believe they do but that’s a story which only serves to empower rapists. Kobe’s apology actually serves to push against the idea that survivors lie. He’s saying the opposite.”

Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, Jameison Winston, and numerous other sports icons have been accused of sexual assault and they all took the same stance when charged...the victim is lying. Even beloved player and now Nationwide pitchman Peyton Manning, whom a female trainer at the University of Tennessee once charged with shoving his naked ass in her face, took the all too familiar route of deny, deny, deny.

Go read Kobe’s apology, which if the case had gone to trial most certainly would have been used by prosecutors against him because it’s essentially an admission. You know his attorney’s advised their client against it but he did it anyway. Why? Why risk losing the livelihood and lifelong dream of being a professional athlete, why risk going to prison? Why not just take the routine stance of denial and calling the victim a liar?

Go read his apology and ask yourself is that typical of the one-dimensional monster you so adamantly insist he is.

So if you apologize for raping someone then it's all good?

This is such bullshit.

He's a rapist.

The way I read his apology was that there was enough there that a guilty verdict in court was possible. And he didn’t want to go to court anyway. His apology was part of the settlement. Not a legal expert but I felt like he was forced to say that.

I think you need to do more reading. The forensic evidence strongly suggests that he forcibly raped her. He himself later came as close as possible to admitting that while still maintaining his essential innocence which is bullshit by the way (I'm sorry you're offended. I'm sorry you feel that I raped you).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

He raped her and the system let him get away with it but because he's a black super star athlete who later had a bunch of daughters and did some nice things for women's basketball, we're racist if we bring that up.