Bullis Lacrosse Situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your perception of preps brand recognition is delusional.

anybody know of a good lacrosse forum? laxpower has shut down. it was a great site to read about college and high school programs.

I actually think the depiction of GP is dead on, so kudos to the original poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still find it crazy that a storied league like the IAC can be so beholden to Club lacrosse. While I understand that the club ship has sailed and the need for high level, year round lacrosse is the norm, I have to believe that the HS coaches have the last word with any collegiate coach. Clubs give some exposure, but you can't tell me that a Trippi or Epstein require a club to get them to the next level. Yes, I know they are elite players, but the bulk of the IAC starters will make a collegiate level team and I don't see a club team making a difference either way. So my big question is who cares about Mad Lax, DCE, etc? I feel that the parents have created these monsters and the parents can just as easily tear them down (with their wallets).

The bulk of IAC starters WILL NOT make a collegiate level team. If you are talking about Division 1, look at Landon the last few years, when its teams have lost 2 IAC games, total. They had players go to Cornell, Michigan, Hopkins, Maryland, Bucknell, Navy, Penn State, Virginia and a few others. But, those were less than half of the graduating classes and that school has had the most success of any. A St. Albans or an Episcopal might get two Division 1 players a class. Every player going to Division 1 had extensive club exposure. The college coaches go out on the summer circuit and they recruit off of that exposure. They will go back to the high school and check out the player (watch film, check into his character, etc.), but much of the exposure is summer circuit play. Remember, the college coaches are in season during the high school season, so they rarely see the high school games live. Trippi and Epstein played Madlax, they were both attackmen, and they both had unbelievable midfielders (Landon, St. Stephens and Episcopal players, ironically) doing a lot of the work to get them the ball--in both summer and high school games. They needed club to get them exposure--I believe both committed before they played much high school, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your perception of preps brand recognition is delusional.

anybody know of a good lacrosse forum? laxpower has shut down. it was a great site to read about college and high school programs.

I actually think the depiction of GP is dead on, so kudos to the original poster.

[Anonymous]

The bulk of IAC starters WILL NOT make a collegiate level team

Uh, yes they will. I did not say graduating seniors, I said starters. If a player is good enough to start in the IAC and they want to play in college, they can easily find a DIII school where they would play. Maybe not Tufts or Salisbury, but there are DIII teams they would be able to make. You immediately went to high level D1, and I agree, not every IAC starter would make those squads. So I go back to my original statement, why are the Clubs so important?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The bulk of IAC starters WILL NOT make a collegiate level team

Uh, yes they will. I did not say graduating seniors, I said starters. If a player is good enough to start in the IAC and they want to play in college, they can easily find a DIII school where they would play. Maybe not Tufts or Salisbury, but there are DIII teams they would be able to make. You immediately went to high level D1, and I agree, not every IAC starter would make those squads. So I go back to my original statement, why are the Clubs so important?

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events provide in the summer in fall. Coaches can see a ton of kids at one event in a single day. It beats juggling single high school games here and there during the college season.

[Anonymous]

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

Different poster, but isn't HS lacrosse a vastly more egregious form of "pay to play" than club? With few exceptions, it seems that you have to be at a private school if you want to play at a good competitive level. That's not true of almost any other sport.

[Anonymous]

Different poster, but isn't HS lacrosse a vastly more egregious form of "pay to play" than club?

This is a great point...at the private schools in the DMV. Of course, we are special

In New York, it's the opposite. The publics rule the roost in lacrosse...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

Your son would never have been good enough to play or make the hs school team or showcases without club play. Same goes for aau basketball or summer baseball. Very little weight is given to the hs season anymore in any recruited sport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

Different poster, but isn't HS lacrosse a vastly more egregious form of "pay to play" than club? With few exceptions, it seems that you have to be at a private school if you want to play at a good competitive level. That's not true of almost any other sport.

For the most part in this region. The public schools have eliminated the "coach only" role. Any teacher showing interest and the smallest amount of experience can displace a coach. The privates are far more willing to fit a person who is a good coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

Different poster, but isn't HS lacrosse a vastly more egregious form of "pay to play" than club? With few exceptions, it seems that you have to be at a private school if you want to play at a good competitive level. That's not true of almost any other sport.

Than you haven't been paying attention. Its true of almost every sport and has been trending this way for a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

College coaches like the one stop shopping that club and showcase events

Showcase events don't require a club. My son was nominated by his HS coach. I am not saying there isn't a place for clubs in HS lax, I am simply questioning the mount of perceived influence they have in the recruiting process. "Pay to play" is a questionable business model.

Different poster, but isn't HS lacrosse a vastly more egregious form of "pay to play" than club? With few exceptions, it seems that you have to be at a private school if you want to play at a good competitive level. That's not true of almost any other sport.

Than you haven't been paying attention. Its true of almost every sport and has been trending this way for a long time.

What other sports in our area basically require you to go to private school to get recruited? Not football, basketball, baseball, soccer, cross country, or track and field.

[Anonymous]

It's not much of a debate and has been covered many times by the Post and other national publications. Yes, you can be recruited from public schools in all sports but by sheer number and percentage the privates play a much larger role. Lacrosse lags far behind on adoption by publics so the advantage is tilted even more. But kids do get recruited. Dubick comes to mind and the one off from other schools too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not much of a debate and has been covered many times by the Post and other national publications. Yes, you can be recruited from public schools in all sports but by sheer number and percentage the privates play a much larger role. Lacrosse lags far behind on adoption by publics so the advantage is tilted even more. But kids do get recruited. Dubick comes to mind and the one off from other schools too.

Terrible example. Dubick is a fine player, but it's not like he was plucked out of obscurity. He played for the Crabs, and got plenty of exposure playing for them.

[Anonymous]

Why?. Pp asked why do you need club and another pp stated only privates get recruited. Clubs help kids by providing year round opportunities where the school they play for becomes less important.