RANT: Teachers, why are you so whiny?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

jesus

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.

And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.

Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.

The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.

There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.

+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.

Katie B. Class of 1995, I’m looking at you. “Exactly” the person described above in bold. Her mom was a teacher and so she just set her sights on the same job, same town, same college, and now the same school system. True of a lot of teachers in my kids’ private school as well. Not an intellectual bone in her body. The only ambitious, smart teachers are the ones Who do it for two years through Americorp and then bail for law school. And those kids are NOT helping the system.

It is amazing to me that you know one person that fits this description and you can paint the entire profession this way. You sound like a complete idiot.
~not a teacher, but somebody who has respect for them

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

jesus

Yeah, he's not gonna help you here, honey.

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There are some good teachers. Unfortunately, too many teachers go into teaching because they were the teacher’s pet or a cheerleader and that’s what they want to be for the rest of their lives.

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OP- totally agree with everything you said.

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Two teacher training days per week anybody? Please it’s so hard. Thanks in advance.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some good teachers. Unfortunately, too many teachers go into teaching because they were the teacher’s pet or a cheerleader and that’s what they want to be for the rest of their lives.

They must teach out in the 'burbs then because in 15 years in my urban district, I've never met any teacher matching this description. Not even close.

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Reading this much later. 100% agree with OP.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.

How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.

But the difference is that firefighters and meat packers showed up and did their jobs. Teachers have abdicated their roles and still whine and complain and how difficult they have it.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.

And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.

Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.

This is justification for paying teachers more so it’s more competitive and more highly qualified people want to do it. In the current situation more teachers might be motivated to go back to the classroom if their salaries were doubled or tripled.

Fine double it. But they have to test (think LSAT, GMAT) to be accepted into an education program. This bottom of the barrel shit needs to stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are some good teachers. Unfortunately, too many teachers go into teaching because they were the teacher’s pet or a cheerleader and that’s what they want to be for the rest of their lives.

They must teach out in the 'burbs then because in 15 years in my urban district, I've never met any teacher matching this description. Not even close.

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I have taught in lots of different schools and no one matches this wacky description. PP where in the world did you come up with this nonsense?

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Anonymous wrote:Not lying- you are comparing traditional al male dominated professions whose health and safety requests are typically heard studied and granted to a traditionally female profession who is constantly denigrated In our society. it is completely true that the second teachers began to question things we were painted as horrible and selfish because a women lead profession dared to have ideas about worker health and safety. The DCUM and other area communities didn’t listen and just chose to use their scarlet letters and anti union sentiments to malign teachers rather than listen to their safety needs. Unions have no power in VA where I reside. So no I’m not lying, but often people when presented with a paradigm
That goes against institutionalized Sexism and misogyny are astonished by what they are a part of.

Don’t forget, these same people think school closures are a feminist crisis because they can’t force another group of women to take care of their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

And this is why my kids go to a private school. Well, this, plus because I used to be a public school teacher and know how many PPs there really are.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.

And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.

Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.

The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.

There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.

+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.

Katie B. Class of 1995, I’m looking at you. “Exactly” the person described above in bold. Her mom was a teacher and so she just set her sights on the same job, same town, same college, and now the same school system. True of a lot of teachers in my kids’ private school as well. Not an intellectual bone in her body. The only ambitious, smart teachers are the ones Who do it for two years through Americorp and then bail for law school. And those kids are NOT helping the system.

It is amazing to me that you know one person that fits this description and you can paint the entire profession this way. You sound like a complete idiot.
~not a teacher, but somebody who has respect for them

The point is that we ALL had a “Katie” in our high school class who fits this description....

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Anonymous wrote:Amen. No other white collar professional whines like a teacher.

+1000

+10,000