RANT: Teachers, why are you so whiny?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.


And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.


Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.


This is justification for paying teachers more so it’s more competitive and more highly qualified people want to do it. In the current situation more teachers might be motivated to go back to the classroom if their salaries were doubled or tripled.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hey OP--- Why don't you grab a dictionary and look up the word irony.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.


How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.


LOL, your response is spot on!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.


And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.


Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.


The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.


There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.


+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.


How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.


Because firefighters run into burning buildings to save our homes and lives, stay in shape, sleep away from home, and possess skills the average person does not have? The guy who sacks my groceries has all the skills necessary to perform as well as the average public school teacher.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.


How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.


Because firefighters run into burning buildings to save our homes and lives, stay in shape, sleep away from home, and possess skills the average person does not have? The guy who sacks my groceries has all the skills necessary to perform as well as the average public school teacher.


Firefighters and other first responders really stepped up during prior national emergencies like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, etc. Doctors and medical staff have similarly stepped up now. All of them are truly heroes.

This pandemic was also a chance for teachers to recognize the incredible needs in their communities and help out. Nobody suggested that teachers must run into burning buildings or take unreasonable risks, but their selfish refusal to consider any reasonable solution has only made life harder for everyone else. Complete fail!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.


How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.


Because firefighters run into burning buildings to save our homes and lives, stay in shape, sleep away from home, and possess skills the average person does not have? The guy who sacks my groceries has all the skills necessary to perform as well as the average public school teacher.


Firefighters and other first responders really stepped up during prior national emergencies like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, etc. Doctors and medical staff have similarly stepped up now. All of them are truly heroes.

This pandemic was also a chance for teachers to recognize the incredible needs in their communities and help out. Nobody suggested that teachers must run into burning buildings or take unreasonable risks, but their selfish refusal to consider any reasonable solution has only made life harder for everyone else. Complete fail!



The community also had a chance to give teachers the tools they need- PPE better air filtration and recycling air systems, but parents selfish refusal to think of women’s workplace rights as their children’s workplace rights didn’t allow the conversation to happen. It did in some districts but around here nothing and it has just made life harder for everyone- complete fail!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.


How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.


Because firefighters run into burning buildings to save our homes and lives, stay in shape, sleep away from home, and possess skills the average person does not have? The guy who sacks my groceries has all the skills necessary to perform as well as the average public school teacher.


Firefighters and other first responders really stepped up during prior national emergencies like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, etc. Doctors and medical staff have similarly stepped up now. All of them are truly heroes.

This pandemic was also a chance for teachers to recognize the incredible needs in their communities and help out. Nobody suggested that teachers must run into burning buildings or take unreasonable risks, but their selfish refusal to consider any reasonable solution has only made life harder for everyone else. Complete fail!



The community also had a chance to give teachers the tools they need- PPE better air filtration and recycling air systems, but parents selfish refusal to think of women’s workplace rights as their children’s workplace rights didn’t allow the conversation to happen. It did in some districts but around here nothing and it has just made life harder for everyone- complete fail!!


That's total BS and you know it! From very early on the unions told school officials that ANY type of in-person was a complete non-starter. Teachers essentially shut down any discussion that could have happened over PPE, etc. Don't lie by pointing fingers at others now!
Anonymous
Not lying- you are comparing traditional al male dominated professions whose health and safety requests are typically heard studied and granted to a traditionally female profession who is constantly denigrated In our society. it is completely true that the second teachers began to question things we were painted as horrible and selfish because a women lead profession dared to have ideas about worker health and safety. The DCUM and other area communities didn’t listen and just chose to use their scarlet letters and anti union sentiments to malign teachers rather than listen to their safety needs. Unions have no power in VA where I reside. So no I’m not lying, but often people when presented with a paradigm
That goes against institutionalized Sexism and misogyny are astonished by what they are a part of.
Anonymous
I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.


And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.


Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.


The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.


There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.


+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.


Katie B. Class of 1995, I’m looking at you. “Exactly” the person described above in bold. Her mom was a teacher and so she just set her sights on the same job, same town, same college, and now the same school system. True of a lot of teachers in my kids’ private school as well. Not an intellectual bone in her body. The only ambitious, smart teachers are the ones Who do it for two years through Americorp and then bail for law school. And those kids are NOT helping the system.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.


Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.


And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.


Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.


The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.


There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.


+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.


Katie B. Class of 1995, I’m looking at you. “Exactly” the person described above in bold. Her mom was a teacher and so she just set her sights on the same job, same town, same college, and now the same school system. True of a lot of teachers in my kids’ private school as well. Not an intellectual bone in her body. The only ambitious, smart teachers are the ones Who do it for two years through Americorp and then bail for law school. And those kids are NOT helping the system.


Thank god Katie B has you to show her how the world should work... and thank god for americorp which ensures that teachers only stay in a school, for 2 years. You are sooooooo much better. Your world view is much better.
-signed valedictorian Of high school class, full scholarship to college AND a teacher Class of 1995
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with that long rant 100%. Teachers, you do not work harder than other professionals -- PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. We all work long grueling hours and don't have summers and every other holiday off. Your pay is fair for what you do. What you do isn't rocket science. I'm sure it does require A LOT of patience, and I don't doubt for one second you work after hours. But again, so do all other professions. Please get off your high horse of how special you are and how you "deserve" so much more pay. Stop your whining.

I love a lot of teachers. I know many! But STOP playing your violin. You chose this career. I am so sick of alllll the teachers I know whining CONSTANTLY. Pre-COVID and post! I don't see any other professional constantly whining about how deserving they are of more and everything else you're always crying about. Ugh.


And yet after dormant for over 4 months you had to revive this thread.


Ha I didn't realize this was a zombie thread. But honestly it makes it more interesting considering our current climate. With all the uproar about defunding the police, I am glad that public school teachers are FINALLY being seen for what they really are- the weakest link in a very dysfunctional system. We can't keep hiring the least capable among us to teach our children and expect quality outcomes.


The statement I want to address is that everyone works grueling hours or overtime or whatever. This is simply not true. I know lawyers who do not work grueling hours, feds who work EXACTLY 40 hours a week, not a minute more, engineers who don’t work overtime, admin assistants who don’t work grueling hours, etc. Please stop with the notion that everyone works 70 hours a week. It’s not true and it’s not something to brag about anyway.


There is a massive gap between grueling hours and whatever you'd call the barely part time gig teachers have. Besides, it's not how long they work, it's the quality of work they perform. Be honest- think about your friends from HS that went into teaching- they were never the sharpest tools in the shed. It's the same now as adults- I have friends that are teachers, but honestly they aren't very motivated/disciplined/intelligent people.

We need to accept that, and then address how to correct the problem. We NEED to make education more competitive and lucrative. Maybe distance learning will allow more qualified people to teach a larger number of students, and therefore be compensated at a higher rate. I definitely believe it is time for vouchers. Idk. But there has to be a solution. Allowing the mediocre B- chick who went into teaching because "she loves kids and wants summers off" isn't working.


+1000. That's been my experience as well. Let's raise pay but then also make becoming a teacher far more competitive.


Katie B. Class of 1995, I’m looking at you. “Exactly” the person described above in bold. Her mom was a teacher and so she just set her sights on the same job, same town, same college, and now the same school system. True of a lot of teachers in my kids’ private school as well. Not an intellectual bone in her body. The only ambitious, smart teachers are the ones Who do it for two years through Americorp and then bail for law school. And those kids are NOT helping the system.


Thank god Katie B has you to show her how the world should work... and thank god for americorp which ensures that teachers only stay in a school, for 2 years. You are sooooooo much better. Your world view is much better.
-signed valedictorian Of high school class, full scholarship to college AND a teacher Class of 1995


+1

And on the flip side I saw lots of people quit TFA because it was too difficult. Yale grad- lasted one year, Stanford grad- lasted 6 months, UPenn grad- did the full two years but kids learned nothing because the behavior management was so terrible, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.


Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.


Yes, yes anytime a teacher complains about bashing they “illustrate the whiny teacher stereotype.” He is saying all the things he has done beyond his job description he will no longer do because it is clearly not well received. You seem to have the expectation that a “good teacher” deals in emotional currency (doing good to get only warm fuzzies in return) and shouldn’t expect that to translate to monetary value. Here is why you think that:


“The status of a given career tends to correlate with the share of men in that profession—higher status equals more men, generally speaking. And that has its own consequence: Research has found that employers place less value on work done by women than on that done by men. These trends reinforce each other in perpetuity.“


https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/02/the-explosion-of-women-teachers/582622/

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