RANT: Teachers, why are you so whiny?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

GOOD FOR YOU! You and ALL teachers should have been working like this from the beginning. It's such a thankless job. I've worried about some teachers, that they would wear themselves out exerting more energy on their students than families and/or end up collapsing. I always reminded them that if they dropped dead in the middle of their classrooms the principal would just step over their bodies to usher in the new teacher. It's not worth it and some of the parents are absolutely disgusting.

Focus on SELF-CARE. Make YOU happy so you can be the happiest, most refreshed teacher your students could possibly have. You'll enjoy yourself, life and job more. The students will enjoy you more too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

You expect us to work from 8-5 when we are only paid from 8:30-4. That would be a 1.5 hour difference. We get a technical 30 minute lunch break that I haven’t had for 13 years. I teach pre-k and can’t get my assistants breaks if I take a lunch so I am SOL. So you are saying we should have an extra 30 minutes of lunch and then get paid for an extra hour to go from 8-5? Well, since I work a ton at home and now schools allow telework, we are in complete agreement. Raise my salary!

You get paid by the hour? I thought teaching was a salaried position with a 9 or 10 month contract?

[Anonymous]

I do think there are a fair amount of teacher whiners. They go crying to the principal at the drop of a hat. And complain about all the work they have to do. They make the rest of us look bad. Teachers in states with low pay have the right to complain. But in MOCO and surrounding counties we are paid ok for what we do and we get a pretty decent pension. I've been working for awhile so initially the starting pay was unfairly low and I had to cobble a few jobs together. But now I am fine.
DCUM you need to be careful with all these teacher bashing threads. Nobody is going to want this job. Pensions are going away and people are hating on teachers. I work in a specialists position because my mom who is a retired teacher told me not to take that path because of how she was treated. And this was years ago. Things have only gotten worse. I would never tell my child to go into teaching with how things are now. You are going to siphon off talent to other jobs and then you will truly be left with the bottom of the barrel. You don't need to be crazy smart to be a teacher but you do need the talent and drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think there are a fair amount of teacher whiners. They go crying to the principal at the drop of a hat. And complain about all the work they have to do. They make the rest of us look bad. Teachers in states with low pay have the right to complain. But in MOCO and surrounding counties we are paid ok for what we do and we get a pretty decent pension. I've been working for awhile so initially the starting pay was unfairly low and I had to cobble a few jobs together. But now I am fine.
DCUM you need to be careful with all these teacher bashing threads. Nobody is going to want this job. Pensions are going away and people are hating on teachers. I work in a specialists position because my mom who is a retired teacher told me not to take that path because of how she was treated. And this was years ago. Things have only gotten worse. I would never tell my child to go into teaching with how things are now. You are going to siphon off talent to other jobs and then you will truly be left with the bottom of the barrel. You don't need to be crazy smart to be a teacher but you do need the talent and drive.

And teachers need to be careful with their whining. Parents are doing without teachers now and hiring their own tutors and making their own pods and many may decide that’s a better use of their time and taxpayer dollars than a bloated public education system that can’t adapt with the times.

[Anonymous]

Teaching is a profession where if you do anything outside your contract list no one ever hears the end of it. I am surprised there is not a TED talk on this already.
do you know what i all do every dang day that is outside my job description. About half of what I do right now is no where listed. You know why? We are in a pandemic and jobs have shifted a bit to accomodate. I am not a nurse, but I help take and record temperatures. I am not a janitor but I sanitize my work area and all hard surfaces every 2 hours.

If teachers don't want to grade papers at home, don't. I don't care. The teachers in our school get 90 minutes of prep a DAY. During specials like Music/Art/PE/Guidance (they have 2 of these a day for 45 minutes each). Grade then. Seems like a great idea. Every semester there is 1 inservice training day and 1 teacher prep day where there are NO kids!!
Teachers want to be seen as a profession, well then act line one. Stop acting like the intern whose uncle got them the job and everything asked is beneath them just too much work.
Problem solve here people.

I do expect you to work during school hours and what you need to to get the job done. You are basically salaried. My DH works 8-4 and then 6-8 most nights because he is salaried and needs to get shit done sometimes during busy times. Ask an accountant.
Teachers get 3 months off during the summer but complain about during their busy season they need to actually work a bit?

[Anonymous]

You know, not one person demanded schools open and teachers work in March. No one bashed teachers or schools. We had no clue what COVID was, who it affected, how, why etc.
Everything stopped
Well, we learned more. Remember when masks weren't encouraged? Then they were? Remember when we wiped things down but now know it is more likely spread through the air.

Slowly more and more and more of America began to open up. Make changes to their jobs, work spaces, lives. Many back in April, May, June.
Now that it is August and we are working safely in spaces like supermarkets, stores, manufacturing plants etc and we are asking teachers to begin again we are all the bad guys?
Those of us who have been working for months. Also not wanting to die but understanding that with precautions things can be done safely?
Yes, now we are bashing teachers who are being hyperbolic just to get out of doing their essential service. They are putting low income families, 1 parent families in very very bad positions. Not because teaching is childcare but because teaching is a profession on whom we all rely. Or we did. The middle/upper class will find a way. They always do. The lower class, however. Those kids will fall further behind educationally.

Kids can wear masks. Kids can help sanitize their work stations. Kids are not these wild animals that are full of rabies biting people who come near them. Teachers make it sound like our children are out of control yet they can teach them through a computer no problem?
DL is a joke for younger children and will rely on a great deal of parent support to be effective on any level. Any teacher who disagrees with that is lying or has no business teaching.

So, as for the bashing. No one hates teachers. We stood by them in March/April/May. But now, they are called to work to fulfill their jobs, their contracts (Which i doubt say they get to work from home but who is going by that right???) and when they refuse and act like we are back in March? Yeah, we parents will bash them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

And that's exactly the problem. If you tried that at any other job-if a doctor or nurse would only work online-they'd fire you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

And that's exactly the problem. If you tried that at any other job-if a doctor or nurse would only work online-they'd fire you

Yup. Many Doctors and nurses mostly work for private hospitals and the level of unionization isn’t as high as it is for teaching. Also doctors and nurses have the sense of a higher calling. They don’t get to call out of work because of a snow day because people get sick and need them all the time.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher in an independent school, so no union. Was willing to go back. School decided it was unsafe, not teachers. Just adding that to be fair to public school teachers. It's not like unionized teachers are the only ones doing DL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know, not one person demanded schools open and teachers work in March. No one bashed teachers or schools. We had no clue what COVID was, who it affected, how, why etc.
Everything stopped
Well, we learned more. Remember when masks weren't encouraged? Then they were? Remember when we wiped things down but now know it is more likely spread through the air.

Slowly more and more and more of America began to open up. Make changes to their jobs, work spaces, lives. Many back in April, May, June.
Now that it is August and we are working safely in spaces like supermarkets, stores, manufacturing plants etc and we are asking teachers to begin again we are all the bad guys?
Those of us who have been working for months. Also not wanting to die but understanding that with precautions things can be done safely?
Yes, now we are bashing teachers who are being hyperbolic just to get out of doing their essential service. They are putting low income families, 1 parent families in very very bad positions. Not because teaching is childcare but because teaching is a profession on whom we all rely. Or we did. The middle/upper class will find a way. They always do. The lower class, however. Those kids will fall further behind educationally.

Kids can wear masks. Kids can help sanitize their work stations. Kids are not these wild animals that are full of rabies biting people who come near them. Teachers make it sound like our children are out of control yet they can teach them through a computer no problem?
DL is a joke for younger children and will rely on a great deal of parent support to be effective on any level. Any teacher who disagrees with that is lying or has no business teaching.

So, as for the bashing. No one hates teachers. We stood by them in March/April/May. But now, they are called to work to fulfill their jobs, their contracts (Which i doubt say they get to work from home but who is going by that right???) and when they refuse and act like we are back in March? Yeah, we parents will bash them.

+1000000

Nobody hates teachers, but their incessant whining and unreasonable demands to get paid while sitting on the couch is getting seriously old. No real effort on their part to engage with the needs of their communities. Nothing but 100% maximalist selfish demands. And endless complaining and berating of parents. Ugh!

[Anonymous]

The point with the unions is in any professional it is detrimental

It protects the bad apples, and prevents stars from excelling and moving up faster

There are great teachers and then there are the bad apples mainly on here complaining about this and that only working to the contract

Example, Hey boss yeah so moving forward I am only checking email and working from 9-5 with a 30 minute lunch. What? proposal coming big presentation client meeting tomorrow what? sorry I'm not being paid for that what you want me to come in to the office? sorry it's covid I'm not coming in.

If you tried that bs in any nonunion profession you would be fired in a heartbeat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

And that's exactly the problem. If you tried that at any other job-if a doctor or nurse would only work online-they'd fire you

Yup. Many Doctors and nurses mostly work for private hospitals and the level of unionization isn’t as high as it is for teaching. Also doctors and nurses have the sense of a higher calling. They don’t get to call out of work because of a snow day because people get sick and need them all the time.

I'm a nurse. This is such BS. I can't do my job online. Teachers can do their jobs online. It's not as good as in person, but it's doable. There is zero reason for teachers to risk their health and their lives in this pandemic. So many of my coworkers have been sick, and some of them have serious, permanent complications. Teachers should not be forced to risk their lives for in person teaching when a safer option is available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point with the unions is in any professional it is detrimental

It protects the bad apples, and prevents stars from excelling and moving up faster

There are great teachers and then there are the bad apples mainly on here complaining about this and that only working to the contract

Example, Hey boss yeah so moving forward I am only checking email and working from 9-5 with a 30 minute lunch. What? proposal coming big presentation client meeting tomorrow what? sorry I'm not being paid for that what you want me to come in to the office? sorry it's covid I'm not coming in.

If you tried that bs in any nonunion profession you would be fired in a heartbeat

Nursing unions do significant work in promoting patient safety, especially safe staffing ratios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point with the unions is in any professional it is detrimental

It protects the bad apples, and prevents stars from excelling and moving up faster

There are great teachers and then there are the bad apples mainly on here complaining about this and that only working to the contract

Example, Hey boss yeah so moving forward I am only checking email and working from 9-5 with a 30 minute lunch. What? proposal coming big presentation client meeting tomorrow what? sorry I'm not being paid for that what you want me to come in to the office? sorry it's covid I'm not coming in.

If you tried that bs in any nonunion profession you would be fired in a heartbeat

Nursing unions do significant work in promoting patient safety, especially safe staffing ratios.

Yes, and teachers unions do significant work in protecting pedophiles from getting fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

And that's exactly the problem. If you tried that at any other job-if a doctor or nurse would only work online-they'd fire you

Yup. Many Doctors and nurses mostly work for private hospitals and the level of unionization isn’t as high as it is for teaching. Also doctors and nurses have the sense of a higher calling. They don’t get to call out of work because of a snow day because people get sick and need them all the time.

I'm a nurse. This is such BS. I can't do my job online. Teachers can do their jobs online. It's not as good as in person, but it's doable. There is zero reason for teachers to risk their health and their lives in this pandemic. So many of my coworkers have been sick, and some of them have serious, permanent complications. Teachers should not be forced to risk their lives for in person teaching when a safer option is available.

Sure you’re a “Nurse” if you just pretend hard enough, troll.