RANT: Teachers, why are you so whiny?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

You expect us to work from 8-5 when we are only paid from 8:30-4. That would be a 1.5 hour difference. We get a technical 30 minute lunch break that I haven’t had for 13 years. I teach pre-k and can’t get my assistants breaks if I take a lunch so I am SOL. So you are saying we should have an extra 30 minutes of lunch and then get paid for an extra hour to go from 8-5? Well, since I work a ton at home and now schools allow telework, we are in complete agreement. Raise my salary!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

You expect us to work from 8-5 when we are only paid from 8:30-4. That would be a 1.5 hour difference. We get a technical 30 minute lunch break that I haven’t had for 13 years. I teach pre-k and can’t get my assistants breaks if I take a lunch so I am SOL. So you are saying we should have an extra 30 minutes of lunch and then get paid for an extra hour to go from 8-5? Well, since I work a ton at home and now schools allow telework, we are in complete agreement. Raise my salary!

This varies so much across districts, states and areas of the country.
Some schools teachers get hours of prep a day plus lunch as aides and paras cover it. Some don't even have recess duty, some don't have bus duty etc.
Overall though this COVID debate has really shown how teachers all across this country don't value education, their PROFESSION. They don't think they are essential workers? I get closing in March we didn't know what the hell was going on and what to do. now we know so much more. We are more educated about how to protect each other, what works, what doesn't etc.
yet here teachers are still saying they won't do their jobs when bus drivers, cab drivers, retail workers, doctors, nurses, day care workers, social workers, hell, 90% of america is back to work and not all dying of COVID.

[Anonymous]

Require mask use and social distancing for all students with consequences and I am on board for returning. Ya know, the things businesses require for employees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Did you see where I said "visibly"? As in, in the school and available unless she had a meeting. Those weren't the only hours she worked.

My SIL works in a bank. She whines because she has to work a pancake breakfast once/year on customer appreciation day. She sure as hell isn't doing anything work related after the bank closes. She misses time every day to drop off and pick up her kids.

I know quite a few professionals who leave work at work.

I think teachers need to take back their jobs. Don't let parents dictate what you do or how you do it. (IE: The thread about tests.)
Teachers ARE the professionals... stand up and do it. Leave the extras to others. Do your jobs the way you know how to do them, not how untrained parents think you should.

PTA's first priority should be filling in gaps in classroom supplies and necessities, nevermind cookies and coffee for the staff room. Stock a cupboard with food for kids who go without.

There is so much wrong with all of it. I wish education would go back to education. Not snack time, social work, and whatever else goes into it.

If they want to do extra then guess what? Those hours should be acknowledged, not scoffed at because other professionals do it too. A lot DON'T.

Yes, there are whiny teachers. Ds's Kindergarten teacher was one of the worst I have ever come across. However, they are not all whiny.

Then also act like a professional! Being a "professional" also means doing what's in the best interest of your clients/customers. This can mean putting their interest ahead of your own. Just narrowly focusing on "what's the safest/most convenient thing for me" without regard for your students is therefore not really professional.

??? It is in my best interest as a patient if I get to see my doctor face-to-face. Guess what? That professional is only conducting face-to-face visits as an emergency. My newly diagnosed case of bronchitis? On Friday he saw me via some sort of zoom equivalent and used his phone to send in a few scripts.

You just made my point. Sounds like in your example the doctor was doing a version of hybrid. But nothing short of 100% DL was acceptable for teachers, was it?!

Are you drunk or just a bad reader? She didn't see the doctor except on her computer screen. Since when is that 'hybrid'? Lay off the booze and set a better example for your kids.

Critical reading fail. Re-read your own post and you will see how the doctor sees patients both remotely as well as in person. Think before you lob insults next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

If you are supposed to get 30 minutes duty-free for lunch you need to make sure you get it. In my district we are also supposed to get 30 minutes duty-free for lunch. If I am asked to meet during that time I either say "No" or ask, "When will I get me 30 minutes for lunch?".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Where are you teaching that has a protected hour for lunch?

I am supposed to get 30 min without duty, but that is when IEP and 504 meetings are held. Plus, I usually tutor the kids who can’t stay after. I’d love that protected hour. Where do I apply?

If you are supposed to get 30 minutes duty-free for lunch you need to make sure you get it. In my district we are also supposed to get 30 minutes duty-free for lunch. If I am asked to meet during that time I either say "No" or ask, "When will I get me 30 minutes for lunch?".

I’ve tried that. Three different schools, same answer: This is when we do it. At one school, just asking got me labeled difficult and resulted in being given the crappiest everything for the next two years until I transferred. Not worth it.

[Anonymous]

I really respect the teachers I have had and the ones my daughter has. Because I know how hard they work, I make sure they know they have made a difference. I have never chased grades and test scores — or put pressure on my daughter to do so. I want her to learn how to think, with logic and compassion, and her teachers have given her those tools, broadened her horizons and let her dream.

For all you wonderful teachers out there, thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.

How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.

But the difference is that firefighters and meat packers showed up and did their jobs. Teachers have abdicated their roles and still whine and complain and how difficult they have it.

You can’t fight fires and pack meat from home online. You can teach online. Apples and oranges.

No. You. Can't.

DL is totally ineffective for most students, especially young kids. Stop lying.

Also, if online learning requires full-time assistance by another adult in the room to make sure DC is actually learning, that's generally called home schooling, not DL. Let's recognize it for what it is.

Yes. You. Can. Stop lying.

Just because you're really super-duper mad about it and you don't like it and you're pitching temper tantrums about it doesn't mean it can't be done. It can be done and is being done, all over the country.

Too. Damn. Bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I think it is funny that you as a parent think that I as a teacher even care about your opinion/s. At this point I am so fed up with the teacher bashing that I'm not doing anything unless it is my best interest. When we go back, and at some point we will, I'm not doing any more extras. No more "help" during my lunch, no more staying after school for free tutoring, no more answering emails outside of contract hours, no more treats bought with my own money, none of it. You've built your beds, parents, now lie in them.

Petulant.
Are you mad that we expect a certain level of engagement and expertise from you? Do you realize that you are illustrating the whiny teacher stereotype perfectly?

Now, you’ve added a punitive element to the mix. You sound like a petulant teenager. Ask them to do something, they do it poorly and half-assed, ask them to improve, cue pouting and bad attitude.

Extras? Parents can do those.
Need a tutor? Hire one.
Response to emails etc? Work hours only. The teacher's actual contracted work hours - not the hours, not whatever hours you think they should work.

A former colleague worked visibly 8am - 5pm Monday to Friday. She offered help at lunch 2 days per week.

Outside of those hours she was unavailable to students and parents.

My banket, doctor, etc isn't available whenever I want. My hairdresser doesn't respond outside of salon hours. Why should a teacher work when oarents decide they should?

Exactly, we are expecting teachers to work from 8-5pm. With the exception of buying extra crap for our kids (which I would be happy to do if asked to do), above teacher can teach and respond to emails during a normal 8 hour work day. Even staying "after-school" would fit into a normal 8 hour work day. School ends around 3:30 right? There are virtually full-time professional jobs that have a 100% protected hour for lunch everyday. Most professional jobs expect WAY more than 8 hours a day. Teachers have no understanding of what is expected of MOST full-time professional jobs, which is WHY, when you come back with your petty complaints, you get NO sympathy from 90% of the adult work-force.

Did you see where I said "visibly"? As in, in the school and available unless she had a meeting. Those weren't the only hours she worked.

My SIL works in a bank. She whines because she has to work a pancake breakfast once/year on customer appreciation day. She sure as hell isn't doing anything work related after the bank closes. She misses time every day to drop off and pick up her kids.

I know quite a few professionals who leave work at work.

I think teachers need to take back their jobs. Don't let parents dictate what you do or how you do it. (IE: The thread about tests.)
Teachers ARE the professionals... stand up and do it. Leave the extras to others. Do your jobs the way you know how to do them, not how untrained parents think you should.

PTA's first priority should be filling in gaps in classroom supplies and necessities, nevermind cookies and coffee for the staff room. Stock a cupboard with food for kids who go without.

There is so much wrong with all of it. I wish education would go back to education. Not snack time, social work, and whatever else goes into it.

If they want to do extra then guess what? Those hours should be acknowledged, not scoffed at because other professionals do it too. A lot DON'T.

Yes, there are whiny teachers. Ds's Kindergarten teacher was one of the worst I have ever come across. However, they are not all whiny.

Then also act like a professional! Being a "professional" also means doing what's in the best interest of your clients/customers. This can mean putting their interest ahead of your own. Just narrowly focusing on "what's the safest/most convenient thing for me" without regard for your students is therefore not really professional.

I love how you put "safest" in quotes during a pandemic. Idiot.

And the "convenience" line is too laughable to bother crafting a response.

Teachers are indeed professionals. They work contracted hours which no, are not contracted until 5:00PM. Many choose to do some lesson planning, etc on their own time, but that is their CHOICE, and you can whine and scream and DEMAND that they do what you want them to do when you want them to do it, but you're wasting your breath and your blood pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher, now lawyer, and everything OP said is spot on. And now teachers want to claim they aren’t “essential,” SMH.

How can people say they want to fire all teachers and take the tax money to pay for pods, yet claim teachers are essential? No one says let’s fire all the firefighters and use the tax money to buy fire extinguishers. Or let’s fire the meat inspectors and just use the tax money to pay for Imodium.

But the difference is that firefighters and meat packers showed up and did their jobs. Teachers have abdicated their roles and still whine and complain and how difficult they have it.

You can’t fight fires and pack meat from home online. You can teach online. Apples and oranges.

No. You. Can't.

DL is totally ineffective for most students, especially young kids. Stop lying.

Also, if online learning requires full-time assistance by another adult in the room to make sure DC is actually learning, that's generally called home schooling, not DL. Let's recognize it for what it is.

Yes. You. Can. Stop lying.

Just because you're really super-duper mad about it and you don't like it and you're pitching temper tantrums about it doesn't mean it can't be done. It can be done and is being done, all over the country.

Too. Damn. Bad.

Sure you can *teach*, but most Young kids will not be *learning* much at all. But keep pretending. Also, your anger Really shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all these union teachers on here

get out of the profession it's obvious you are just there for the paycheck and could care less about kids

get the f out of here

No. Teachers will continue to teach via DL, continue to be paid in full and don't give a crap if you're throwing fits about it.

Get the F out of here, indeed.

Troll

[Anonymous]

Teacher haters -- the rest of the parents at your school and on this board loath you on every thread you participate in. Stop bashing our children's teachers. You make our school communities SUCK. Go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some good teachers. Unfortunately, too many teachers go into teaching because they were the teacher’s pet or a cheerleader and that’s what they want to be for the rest of their lives.

Then wouldn't they just be a career student or professional cheerleader?

Where's your logic?