DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

top 20 I mean.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

Here is VA
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/All/Girls/

Here is MD
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/MD/All/Girls/

Please shut-up now.

[Anonymous]

1 MCLEAN YS ECNL U17 [3] 38.98
2 MCLEAN YS ECNL U18 [6] 38.77
3 FC VIRGINIA VIRGINIA ECNL U19 [16] 38.45
4 VYS PHOENIX U19 [21] 38.11
5 BETHESDA SC ECNL U18 [24] 37.84
6 SOCA ELITE U18 [36] 37.63
7 BETHESDA SC ECNL U17 [32] 37.60
8 FC VIRGINIA ECNL U18 [52] 37.33
9 MCLEAN YS ECNL U19 [53] 37.30
10 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U17 [56] 37.20
11 FC VIRGINIA U17 ECNL [57] 37.16
12 MCLEAN YS ECNL U16 [50] 36.72
13 OPSA MAGIC U19 [98] 36.71
14 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U18 [102] 36.67
15 PIPELINE SC PRE ACADEMY U18 [105] 36.65
16 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U18 [119] 36.55
17 VIENNA YS PHOENIX U19 [113] 36.49
18 HERNDON YS UNITED U19 [115] 36.47
19 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U17 [130] 36.37
20 WASHINGTON SPIRIT ACADEMY VIRGINIA U17 DA [133] 36.34

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

LOL!!!! 14 teams in the Top 10? That's not how rankings work. You might want to check out one of the many recent threads in here about CTE and sports concussions.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

The biggest point for both PPs is there is the "top anything" for team or clubs is meaningless. All of these 6 and the DA clubs are preaching "we can develop players better". Development and ranking of teams are not connected. Players develop when they are challenged. Loudoun and BYRC and Arlington did not look very challenged in CCL.

Yes, some NCSL teams can beat CCL teams and some CCL teams can beat some DA and ECNL teams. These anomalies will dwindle in coming years, but DA and ECNL are already where the majority of college coaches are scouting and the DA is where the majority of YNT scouting is going on. Plus all the scouts trust the directors of the DA and ECNL clubs a lot more than any others.

It's OK. The system is supposed to work this way. Any decent travel level player for any decent club who really wants to play in college can find one that will take them. There are a ton of programs out there for girls. For the ones that want big scholarships and potential YNT opportunities, the days of getting there outside of the ECNL or DA are coming to an end for 98% of players very quickly. It's not because any coach or club is bad. But those scouts want players who challenge their comfort zones, not stay comfortable as the best player on a team in a non-challenging league or under-qualified coach. No one argues ECNL and DA will provide the most challenge every week.

Top 10 or 20 or whatever. If your DD is driven and talented and wants to play on a D1 scholarship or even more, you're an idiot for not getting her on an ECNL or DA team asap if she can make it there. And if she can't in the DC market, it's likely you're shooting too high anyway.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

Point is that across girls U13-u18/19 in the DMV, the 20 most successful teams (3+ per age category) will include more non-NCSL teams. U13 (Rush, Loundon, Pipeline, ODFC) to U18/19 (Pipeline, Arlington, SAC, NVSC) are all in Region I top 25. Again, only point is that there are competitive non DA/ECNL teams in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1 MCLEAN YS ECNL U17 [3] 38.98
2 MCLEAN YS ECNL U18 [6] 38.77
3 FC VIRGINIA VIRGINIA ECNL U19 [16] 38.45
4 VYS PHOENIX U19 [21] 38.11
5 BETHESDA SC ECNL U18 [24] 37.84
6 SOCA ELITE U18 [36] 37.63
7 BETHESDA SC ECNL U17 [32] 37.60
8 FC VIRGINIA ECNL U18 [52] 37.33
9 MCLEAN YS ECNL U19 [53] 37.30
10 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U17 [56] 37.20
11 FC VIRGINIA U17 ECNL [57] 37.16
12 MCLEAN YS ECNL U16 [50] 36.72
13 OPSA MAGIC U19 [98] 36.71
14 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U18 [102] 36.67
15 PIPELINE SC PRE ACADEMY U18 [105] 36.65
16 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U18 [119] 36.55
17 VIENNA YS PHOENIX U19 [113] 36.49
18 HERNDON YS UNITED U19 [115] 36.47
19 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U17 [130] 36.37
20 WASHINGTON SPIRIT ACADEMY VIRGINIA U17 DA [133] 36.34

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

The U19 VYS team shows up twice so there's actually one more ECNL team that would make the list:
15 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY ECNL U18 [149] 36.28

So 15 out of 20 of the top teams are ECNL or DA. So much for the poster who said " If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1 MCLEAN YS ECNL U17 [3] 38.98
2 MCLEAN YS ECNL U18 [6] 38.77
3 FC VIRGINIA VIRGINIA ECNL U19 [16] 38.45
4 VYS PHOENIX U19 [21] 38.11
5 BETHESDA SC ECNL U18 [24] 37.84
6 SOCA ELITE U18 [36] 37.63
7 BETHESDA SC ECNL U17 [32] 37.60
8 FC VIRGINIA ECNL U18 [52] 37.33
9 MCLEAN YS ECNL U19 [53] 37.30
10 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U17 [56] 37.20
11 FC VIRGINIA U17 ECNL [57] 37.16
12 MCLEAN YS ECNL U16 [50] 36.72
13 OPSA MAGIC U19 [98] 36.71
14 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL U18 [102] 36.67
15 PIPELINE SC PRE ACADEMY U18 [105] 36.65
16 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U18 [119] 36.55
17 VIENNA YS PHOENIX U19 [113] 36.49
18 HERNDON YS UNITED U19 [115] 36.47
19 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL U17 [130] 36.37
20 WASHINGTON SPIRIT ACADEMY VIRGINIA U17 DA [133] 36.34

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

The U19 VYS team shows up twice so there's actually one more ECNL team that would make the list:
15 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY ECNL U18 [149] 36.28

So 15 out of 20 of the top teams are ECNL or DA. So much for the poster who said " If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL"

Interesting about the VYS team. No matter, the next team up after removing the VYS duplicate is BRYC U18 ECNL 36.28

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

Here is VA
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/All/Girls/

Here is MD
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/MD/All/Girls/

Please shut-up now.

Can't read so well can you? Those are multiple age groups.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

The biggest point for both PPs is there is the "top anything" for team or clubs is meaningless. All of these 6 and the DA clubs are preaching "we can develop players better". Development and ranking of teams are not connected. Players develop when they are challenged. Loudoun and BYRC and Arlington did not look very challenged in CCL.

Yes, some NCSL teams can beat CCL teams and some CCL teams can beat some DA and ECNL teams. These anomalies will dwindle in coming years, but DA and ECNL are already where the majority of college coaches are scouting and the DA is where the majority of YNT scouting is going on. Plus all the scouts trust the directors of the DA and ECNL clubs a lot more than any others.

It's OK. The system is supposed to work this way. Any decent travel level player for any decent club who really wants to play in college can find one that will take them. There are a ton of programs out there for girls. For the ones that want big scholarships and potential YNT opportunities, the days of getting there outside of the ECNL or DA are coming to an end for 98% of players very quickly. It's not because any coach or club is bad. But those scouts want players who challenge their comfort zones, not stay comfortable as the best player on a team in a non-challenging league or under-qualified coach. No one argues ECNL and DA will provide the most challenge every week.

Top 10 or 20 or whatever. If your DD is driven and talented and wants to play on a D1 scholarship or even more, you're an idiot for not getting her on an ECNL or DA team asap if she can make it there. And if she can't in the DC market, it's likely you're shooting too high anyway.

Put very eloquently. ARL. and Loud. Only had competition when they played one another.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

Here is VA
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/All/Girls/

Here is MD
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/MD/All/Girls/

Please shut-up now.

Can't read so well can you? Those are multiple age groups.

Yes, they are multiple age groups. The two states were combined in the one top 20 list a couple of posts earlier.

The PP simply said the "Top 20 teams" and this is the only site that allowed this kind of rankings sort across multiple age groups.

If the PP said the top 20 teams in a particular age group then the overwhelming number of non-ECNL clubs in the top 20 is obvious because there are only 4 current ECNL clubs. Assuming the poster was actually smarter than that I found the provided ranking to make their case or not. The rankings do not agree with the PP's hypothesis that "More than half of the areas top 20 teams would be non-ECNL".

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

LOL!!!! 14 teams in the Top 10? That's not how rankings work. You might want to check out one of the many recent threads in here about CTE and sports concussions.

I guess you didn't read the very next post that corrected it to Top 20. Hope you didn't pee yourself with excitement for finding a typo.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

LOL!!!! 14 teams in the Top 10? That's not how rankings work. You might want to check out one of the many recent threads in here about CTE and sports concussions.

I guess you didn't read the very next post that corrected it to Top 20. Hope you didn't pee yourself with excitement for finding a typo.

+1 lol

love that, so funny

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

LOL!!!! 14 teams in the Top 10? That's not how rankings work. You might want to check out one of the many recent threads in here about CTE and sports concussions.

I guess you didn't read the very next post that corrected it to Top 20. Hope you didn't pee yourself with excitement for finding a typo.

I guess you didn't see the combined rankings for all age groups across two states that had 14 of the top 20 teams as ECNL or DA.

If you go individual year and say that 14 non-ECNL teams are ALSO in the top 20....well duh.....

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.

LOL!!!! 14 teams in the Top 10? That's not how rankings work. You might want to check out one of the many recent threads in here about CTE and sports concussions.

I guess you didn't read the very next post that corrected it to Top 20. Hope you didn't pee yourself with excitement for finding a typo.

I guess you didn't see the combined rankings for all age groups across two states that had 14 of the top 20 teams as ECNL or DA.

If you go individual year and say that 14 non-ECNL teams are ALSO in the top 20....well duh.....

While both of you idiots have been arguing over a ranking system for teams that means absolutely nothing (and flawed clearly since it has the same team with two scores), you could have been out in the garage helping your DD get about 20,000 touches on the ball or watching a Champions League game on DVR with her. Wake T.F.U. It's about the players.