DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.

You have no clue what you're talking about here. For ECNL, the U16 and U17 teams have to do 3 showcases of their choice. U18 and U14 have to do two. I forget if U15 is 2 or 3 but it's easy to check if you want to go to the ECNL website. No one has to do all five. In fact, if a team attends more than the required number of showcases then at PDA, the team will usually be put into a non-ECNL bracket, ie, treated like any other non-ECNL team at the event.

Also, very few, if any, ECNL clubs do Disney because they can just do ECNL Florida during the same time frame and it counts as one of the required showcases.

At least have some clue what you're talking about

U14 it is optional to do the national Events

The listed tournaments are all ECNL events. Have a clue yourself.

Clearly you are not in the know.....BRYC U14s are ONLY doing the Greer U14 National Showcase for the year and that was optional.

It is understood that U14 and of course U13 kids do not go to all these events. The price for the events is pretty much the same regardless. Pick your 3 tourneys and add it up and then get back to me if you end up playing ECNL for anything less than $6000. As your player gets older you will be creeping up towards the $10,000 range but you should certainly expect the average bill to be $6000-$8000 per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the focus on DA/ECNL. Those clubs are not the only clubs in town and as a matter of fact if I look at the Region I rankings and they are dominated by ECNL and the DA teams in the DMV are weak at best. The tournaments that I have attended, the ECNL teams are competitive but are far from the most dominant teams in the u14/u15 category. My point is that others clubs outside of DA/ECNL are fielding more competitive teams in the U15 and younger category. Again, not knocking DA/ECNL but am saying that those clubs are not the only game in town. Follow the Jefferson's Cup brackets. There are plenty of non-ECNL teams placed in the top brackets.

DA/ECNL clubs do not enter many non DA/ECNL tournaments (due to their own league and national event commitments) and therefore they do not chase/earn those precious GotSoccer tournament points that are used for the "rankings" you are looking at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what drives this DA/ECNL elitest attitude. From where I stand, the DA is not that elite. The DA concept is great but I don't believe that any of the DA teams at the age groups can beat the top teams in the DMV. Pipeline, Arlington, Loudon are all much stronger. I am not saying that the DMV DA/ECNL teams are not competitive but I am saying that in the DMV, those clubs are not the strongest at the younger ages.

Well ummm, Arlington is now DA sooo...

Having strong U9 teams does not translate to dominant U16 teams.

And so is Pipeline, via WS partnership / SQ.

[Anonymous]

VDA joins girl ECNL.

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1231129

"As a result of this decision, VDA has notified U.S. Soccer that it will not renew its membership into the girls’ Development Academy for 2018-19, but is fully committed to complete the 2017-18 season, including all league games and showcase events. VDA remains committed to the boys’ DA, as well as men and women’s CCL Pro 23 moving forward."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what drives this DA/ECNL elitest attitude. From where I stand, the DA is not that elite. The DA concept is great but I don't believe that any of the DA teams at the age groups can beat the top teams in the DMV. Pipeline, Arlington, Loudon are all much stronger. I am not saying that the DMV DA/ECNL teams are not competitive but I am saying that in the DMV, those clubs are not the strongest at the younger ages.

Well ummm, Arlington is now DA sooo...

Having strong U9 teams does not translate to dominant U16 teams.

And so is Pipeline, via WS partnership / SQ.

You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.

You have no clue what you're talking about here. For ECNL, the U16 and U17 teams have to do 3 showcases of their choice. U18 and U14 have to do two. I forget if U15 is 2 or 3 but it's easy to check if you want to go to the ECNL website. No one has to do all five. In fact, if a team attends more than the required number of showcases then at PDA, the team will usually be put into a non-ECNL bracket, ie, treated like any other non-ECNL team at the event.

Also, very few, if any, ECNL clubs do Disney because they can just do ECNL Florida during the same time frame and it counts as one of the required showcases.

At least have some clue what you're talking about

U14 it is optional to do the national Events

The listed tournaments are all ECNL events. Have a clue yourself.

Clearly you are not in the know.....BRYC U14s are ONLY doing the Greer U14 National Showcase for the year and that was optional.

It is understood that U14 and of course U13 kids do not go to all these events. The price for the events is pretty much the same regardless. Pick your 3 tourneys and add it up and then get back to me if you end up playing ECNL for anything less than $6000. As your player gets older you will be creeping up towards the $10,000 range but you should certainly expect the average bill to be $6000-$8000 per year.

Absolutely correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what drives this DA/ECNL elitest attitude. From where I stand, the DA is not that elite. The DA concept is great but I don't believe that any of the DA teams at the age groups can beat the top teams in the DMV. Pipeline, Arlington, Loudon are all much stronger. I am not saying that the DMV DA/ECNL teams are not competitive but I am saying that in the DMV, those clubs are not the strongest at the younger ages.

Well ummm, Arlington is now DA sooo...

Having strong U9 teams does not translate to dominant U16 teams.

And so is Pipeline, via WS partnership / SQ.

You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

Captain Obvious here: Loudoun and Arlington are HUUUUGGGEEE. They both go by the same tactic: pick purely the most physical kids and as time goes on---cut them for outsiders trained elsewhere. Or---they don't even have to cut them because the SHEER number of kids they serve dwarfs everywhere else around them. That said--I would have thought they would have done better in the ASIST tournament last weekend. A lot of the smaller, non-CCL clubs were winners while the big 2 didn't make it to the Finals in most age groups.

[Anonymous]

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You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Sometimes the result doesn't show the whole picture. Especially when playing in the tournaments with crazy scheduling. A decent team can lose big in their second game of the day to another decent team but playing their first game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

So, we agreed to let our high-school aged DD play for a DA team because she wants the best possible shot at playing for a top college soccer program. Loudoun’s various club teams winning games does not get her recruited. Could she be recruited as a player from Loudoun? Of course, but the system, contacts, and showcase opportunities at either DA or ECNL make it easier to get her in front of the coaches from the schools she cares about. And girls soccer college recruiting is intense by the girls’ sophomore years, U15 and U16.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Sometimes the result doesn't show the whole picture. Especially when playing in the tournaments with crazy scheduling. A decent team can lose big in their second game of the day to another decent team but playing their first game.

Arlington diluted many of it's younger age divisions to fit all their teams into the tournament, so 3rd teams were playing against other's top teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You folks miss the point. Pipeline, Loudon and Arlington are successful clubs despite not being part of either DA or ECNL. It does not matter if ECNL clubs do not enter all the tournaments. They enter enough tournaments (Bethesda, Jefferson, DELCo, and OBGC) that you see how they compete against strong non-ECNL clubs.

what defines "success"? What algorithm should i be using to figure out soccer success? I've watched games won by a team with pretty poor soccer skills, but a lucky couple of opportunities.

Are the "same" teams (or clubs) winning year after year with the same players developing or bringing in recruits, and if so how many? who is playing the minutes? the recruits or the locals?

As far as records, I'd really like to see what the play and goals look like... is it dominant at the majority of positions (including goal)... please be real, a lot of kick and run leading to goals? not relevant to this "success" conversation.

so much goes into the success and records only show a small portion.

Just follow the results. There are top teams out there that are not ECNL. I can understand the allure but the fixation is insane. Pipeline and Loudon have teams that consistently beat ECNLs teams. I have nothing against ECNL teams but the belief that they are the only elite teams is just wrong. If you take the top 20 teams in the DMV across age groups, my guess is that more than half are non-ECNL. There are a number of reasons why kids don't do DA/ECNL including logistics, costs, friendships, etc. Look, if my DD wanted to play DA/ECNL and the practices were close, the costs would still be an issue.

Since there are only 4 ECNL teams in the DMV, I bet you would be correct that more than half of the top 20 would be non-ECNL teams. In fact, I bet 16 of those teams would not be ECNL. Not really sure your point.

There are 6 ECNL teams in the DMV
Loudoun (Fall 2018)
BRYC
McLean
VDA (Fall 2018)
Bethesda
MD United

You even show there are currently 4. The quote above wasn't talking about the future, it was talking about now. Even with 6 next year, there will be 14 other teams in the top 10, way more than half. Still not sure the point.