Cast of Hamilton makes statement to Pence at the end of the show.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Pence's response shows. he truly took the high road and left the cast in the gutter where belong. totally back fired on them and they look like the petty, immature racists they are.


I don't know whether they are racists or not, but this spectacle was creepy. Pence is w very smart guy who keeps his cool well. He handled this strange matter with aplomb.


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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pence's response shows. he truly took the high road and left the cast in the gutter where belong. totally back fired on them and they look like the petty, immature racists they are.


I don't know whether they are racists or not, but this spectacle was creepy. Pence is w very smart guy who keeps his cool well. He handled this strange matter with aplomb.


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Anonymous wrote:Bunch of folks outraged about how the man should be able to enjoy a night out with his family. You know what outrages me? That he keeps people from seeing their wives on their deathbeds, because he thinks he can legislate his own religion. Good for the cast of Hamilton for speaking out. This man and what he stands for is truly horrifying. His politeness does not hide a hateful heart.

"When a federal trial court ordered Indiana to recognize our marriage on an emergency basis because of Niki’s declining health, Governor Pence immediately appealed. He wouldn’t allow the state to protect even one family with a dying parent—my family—while the court case made its way through the legal system.

After the Baskin plaintiffs won a sweeping victory, ordering the state of Indiana to recognize our marriages and give all same-sex couples the right to marry, Pence again appealed and the court put our victory on hold. Given Niki’s grave health, our lawyers asked the court to lift the stay on an emergency basis, just for our family. But even that wasn’t acceptable to Pence—a lawyer for the state filed papers in opposition."

http://time.com/4576513/mike-pences-hateful-laws/


I'm happy gay marriage is legal, but think of all the couples who had similar experiences because of Obama's stated opposition to gay marriage for years while in office. It was a wrong that has been righted.


Check out some of Pence's laws and get back to me. I think you're comparing apples and oranges.


You posted a story about someone who said Pence's opposition to legalizing gay marriage made them go through a heartbreaking situation. But many Democratic leaders - Obama, Hillary, Bill - were openly opposed to gay marriage for a long time, which also likely caused similar problems for other couples.
Anonymous
I'm proud of the Hamilton producers and cast. They had an opportunity to implore one of our new leaders to value and respect everyone and they did not throw away their shot. The didn't use vile or insulting language. I agree that it speaks volumes about the current Republican Party that a respectful request that rights be respected is seen as a partisan issue.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm proud of the Hamilton producers and cast. They had an opportunity to implore one of our new leaders to value and respect everyone and they did not throw away their shot. The didn't use vile or insulting language. I agree that it speaks volumes about the current Republican Party that a respectful request that rights be respected is seen as a partisan issue.


Od dear, this is going to be a difficult time for you. It enough chamomile tea to sooth you
Anonymous
Sooth?
Anonymous
I think i remember something in the Bill of Rights about petitioning for redress of grievances without fear of reprisal. Does this ring a bell?
Anonymous
Trump ran a campaign on anti- political correctness, name-calling, and no holds barred speech.
No other Presidential candidate has ever been so blatantly disrespectful.

A respectful address to the VP was appropriate and needed.
I hope there are many more.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Trump ran a campaign on anti- political correctness, name-calling, and no holds barred speech.
No other Presidential candidate has ever been so blatantly disrespectful.

A respectful address to the VP was appropriate and needed.
I hope there are many more.


PP here,
and Pence handled it well. He listened and took it in the spirit in which it was given. He has a much better demeanor than Trump (even if you don't like his politics) On the Sunday morning news shows, he recognized that it was a fine use of free speech and doesn't expect an apology.

Trump (Mr. Ego) demands an apology from anyone who challenges him or calls him out on his behavior.
Yet, he never apologizes for anything himself. A man with no contrition is not to be trusted.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:

i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.


I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.



I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.



Well, the show's creator wrote the statement and tweeted his approval of it afterwards.
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Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.


First of all, there was nothing disrespectful in the post show comments.

Second of all, if Pence is too thinned skin for that feedback from fellow Americans, then he is in for a very rough ride as Vice President.


i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

Agree. You didn't see this level of disrespect (or riots!) when the Republicans lost.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ill just leave this here...


A tweet versus a humiliating action?


There was nothing humiliating about the statement. If you feel differently, identify the "humiliating" language.


To single out an audience member for mbarrassment? That part. The singling out part. It's rude.


What harassment? The statement was very respectful. They thanked Pence for coming, they told audience members to stop booing him, and they made a statement that was in no way insulting. Conservatives whining about it are the same ones who mock "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings" and call liberals "special snowflakes," and yet they are outraged and offended by Americans politely addressing their elected leaders. He's not just some random person, he's the VP-elect, and he should expect people to share their views and concerns with him. I can't stand Pence, but he isn't the one acting like a big ol' crybaby about it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.


First of all, there was nothing disrespectful in the post show comments.

Second of all, if Pence is too thinned skin for that feedback from fellow Americans, then he is in for a very rough ride as Vice President.


i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

Agree. You didn't see this level of disrespect (or riots!) when the Republicans lost.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ill just leave this here...


A tweet versus a humiliating action?


There was nothing humiliating about the statement. If you feel differently, identify the "humiliating" language.


To single out an audience member for mbarrassment? That part. The singling out part. It's rude.


What harassment? The statement was very respectful. They thanked Pence for coming, they told audience members to stop booing him, and they made a statement that was in no way insulting. Conservatives whining about it are the same ones who mock "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings" and call liberals "special snowflakes," and yet they are outraged and offended by Americans politely addressing their elected leaders. He's not just some random person, he's the VP-elect, and he should expect people to share their views and concerns with him. I can't stand Pence, but he isn't the one acting like a big ol' crybaby about it.


I'll say it again, s-l-o-w-l-y ... it was rude.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.


I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.



I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.



Well, the show's creator wrote the statement and tweeted his approval of it afterwards.


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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.


First of all, there was nothing disrespectful in the post show comments.

Second of all, if Pence is too thinned skin for that feedback from fellow Americans, then he is in for a very rough ride as Vice President.


i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

Agree. You didn't see this level of disrespect (or riots!) when the Republicans lost.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ill just leave this here...


A tweet versus a humiliating action?


There was nothing humiliating about the statement. If you feel differently, identify the "humiliating" language.


To single out an audience member for mbarrassment? That part. The singling out part. It's rude.


What harassment? The statement was very respectful. They thanked Pence for coming, they told audience members to stop booing him, and they made a statement that was in no way insulting. Conservatives whining about it are the same ones who mock "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings" and call liberals "special snowflakes," and yet they are outraged and offended by Americans politely addressing their elected leaders. He's not just some random person, he's the VP-elect, and he should expect people to share their views and concerns with him. I can't stand Pence, but he isn't the one acting like a big ol' crybaby about it.


I'll say it again, s-l-o-w-l-y ... it was rude.


It doesn't matter if you send a separate envelope with each letter of your sentence inside, it's not rude. It is almost the definition of free speech. The VPE - whose politics are reprehensible - took the high road. Tiny Hands wants to shut down respectful dissent. That should worry you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pence's response shows. he truly took the high road and left the cast in the gutter where belong. totally back fired on them and they look like the petty, immature racists they are.


I don't know whether they are racists or not, but this spectacle was creepy. Pence is w very smart guy who keeps his cool well. He handled this strange matter with aplomb.


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Perhaps when your candidate acts like a normal adult of the human species we can talk "spectacle," "creepy," and "strange" in regards to this matter. Until then, perhaps tweet the future Moron in Chief and tell him how to behave.
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