FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should put a pause on revising boundaries until they see what happens with Skyview. It’s possible that will relieve some of the crowding issues and they won’t need to move kids out of Chantilly HS.

What do you mean by "what happens with Skyview"? They need to set the Skyview boundaries ASAP.

Are you suggesting they set the Skyview boundaries and then not move anyone else around until they see how the moves shake out?

I think they are suggesting waiting to see what the future enrollments at all the schools in the area look like after some students opt in to Skyview before moving forward with any boundary changes.

I don’t agree with this, but it’s what I think they’re suggesting. I don’t agree with it because Chantilly wouldn’t get enough relief and it would just delay Skyview becoming a neighborhood high school.

I disagree. Though, admittedly, I don't understand how they could possibly continue without firm boundaries for Skyview. They are creating more confusion with this.

1. Set boundaries for Skyview.
2. Maybe wait to see how the numbers fall out next year for the other schools before shifting any to Westfield. There is a lot of new construction there, and maybe they don't need as many as some seem to think.

But, the holdup is the delay in Skyview boundaries.

Any sensible boundaries for Skyview (1) pull a lot of kids out of Westfield and (2) require steps to add kids there from other schools well before any new construction would yield significant numbers of new students at Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they pulled kids into Skyview from Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly and Westfield in about even numbers, that would be doable.

Their current plans seem to pull almost all the Skyview students from Westfield, which creates a huge headache for them: trying to backfill the least popular and largest school building.

What you’re suggesting would requite absurd gerrymandering.

Skyview is in the Floris area. It’s a good site, and not one they could have otherwise found had KAA not become available.

Coates and McNair are north of Floris. Floris obviously should go to Skyview. If you don’t then include Coates and McNair at Skyview, you’re creating a Westfield attendance island.

They just need to put their big boy pants on, draw sensible boundaries for Skyview that relieve overcrowding at Chantilly (flip a damn coin for Fox Mill vs. Crossfield), and move what’s needed to backfill Westfield. That means some of Centreville will need to move to Westfield, and we can pare back the ridiculous plan to expand Centreville to 3000, which would be a huge taxpayer rip-off.

Screw flipping the coin, take Fox Mill as the politically expedient thing to do. And yes, I am a Fox Mill parent.

Sold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rip the bandaid off and just make the boundary and call it a day. Many of the boundaries in this County dont make sense unless you look at demographics...but no one wants to bring that up in public...plenty of neighborhoods being bused way to far so they can fill the numbers of each demographic...nothing to do with transportion at all.

This is complete BS. It’s the exact opposite. Kids are being bused way too way so wealthier neighborhoods can avoid schools with more demographic balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Rip the bandaid off and just make the boundary and call it a day. Many of the boundaries in this County dont make sense unless you look at demographics...but no one wants to bring that up in public...plenty of neighborhoods being bused way to far so they can fill the numbers of each demographic...nothing to do with transportion at all.

The longest bus rides in the county are to stronger schools. Great Falls ES is far closer to Herndon then Langley but is bussed to Langley. Crossfield is closer to Skyview then Oakton but many parents want to stay at Oakton, even with the long bus ride. Crossfield is a bit different in that Skyview is likely to be a very good school but it will have a higher FARMs rate then Oakton currently does. Some RIO parents have been very clear that they don't want to attend Skyview because they see the McNair and Coates kids as being the "problem children" at Carson. Their words, not mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Rip the bandaid off and just make the boundary and call it a day. Many of the boundaries in this County dont make sense unless you look at demographics...but no one wants to bring that up in public...plenty of neighborhoods being bused way to far so they can fill the numbers of each demographic...nothing to do with transportion at all.

This is complete BS. It’s the exact opposite. Kids are being bused way too way so wealthier neighborhoods can avoid schools with more demographic balance.

It's not so they can avoid more demographic balance. It's so they can avoid a worse-performing/behaving school that will in turn decrease their property value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not hard to figure out why some schools (coates, floris, mcnair) Would be excited to change and some (fox mill, oak hill) would be open to it, while others (lees corner, crossfield, navy) would be against it. Don't hate on rio when everyone wants the same thing, a better or equal situation to what they have right now.
Skyview > Westfield
Centreville > Westfield
Skyview > Centreville
Skyview > South Lakes
South Lakes > Westfield
Chantilly > Skyview
Chantilly > Westfield
Oakton > Skyview
Chantilly = Oakton

I would amend the last one on the list to:

Oakton > Chantilly

A lot of folks believe this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not hard to figure out why some schools (coates, floris, mcnair) Would be excited to change and some (fox mill, oak hill) would be open to it, while others (lees corner, crossfield, navy) would be against it. Don't hate on rio when everyone wants the same thing, a better or equal situation to what they have right now.
Skyview > Westfield
Centreville > Westfield
Skyview > Centreville
Skyview > South Lakes
South Lakes > Westfield
Chantilly > Skyview
Chantilly > Westfield
Oakton > Skyview
Chantilly = Oakton

I would amend the last one on the list to:

Oakton > Chantilly

A lot of folks believe this.

agreed but people wouldn't put up a huge fight either way. I think if Skyview = Chantilly, the Oakton crowd would be ok with it because of the trade-off in proximity

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they pulled kids into Skyview from Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly and Westfield in about even numbers, that would be doable.

Their current plans seem to pull almost all the Skyview students from Westfield, which creates a huge headache for them: trying to backfill the least popular and largest school building.

What you’re suggesting would requite absurd gerrymandering.

Skyview is in the Floris area. It’s a good site, and not one they could have otherwise found had KAA not become available.

Coates and McNair are north of Floris. Floris obviously should go to Skyview. If you don’t then include Coates and McNair at Skyview, you’re creating a Westfield attendance island.

They just need to put their big boy pants on, draw sensible boundaries for Skyview that relieve overcrowding at Chantilly (flip a damn coin for Fox Mill vs. Crossfield), and move what’s needed to backfill Westfield. That means some of Centreville will need to move to Westfield, and we can pare back the ridiculous plan to expand Centreville to 3000, which would be a huge taxpayer rip-off.

Some of Chantilly also has to move to Westfield, a sizable chunk, like one full elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not hard to figure out why some schools (coates, floris, mcnair) Would be excited to change and some (fox mill, oak hill) would be open to it, while others (lees corner, crossfield, navy) would be against it. Don't hate on rio when everyone wants the same thing, a better or equal situation to what they have right now.
Skyview > Westfield
Centreville > Westfield
Skyview > Centreville
Skyview > South Lakes
South Lakes > Westfield
Chantilly > Skyview
Chantilly > Westfield
Oakton > Skyview
Chantilly = Oakton

I would amend the last one on the list to:

Oakton > Chantilly

A lot of folks believe this.

This is exactly the problem which is why I think its better to have less cohesive HS boundaries and pull some kids from each surrounding HS to avoid emptying Westfield out completely (the least attractive school) and then trying to refill it.

[Anonymous]

In the comprehensive all-county boundary adjustment that they just did, did they end up moving any neighborhoods from better high schools to weaker high schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they pulled kids into Skyview from Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly and Westfield in about even numbers, that would be doable.

Their current plans seem to pull almost all the Skyview students from Westfield, which creates a huge headache for them: trying to backfill the least popular and largest school building.

What you’re suggesting would requite absurd gerrymandering.

Skyview is in the Floris area. It’s a good site, and not one they could have otherwise found had KAA not become available.

Coates and McNair are north of Floris. Floris obviously should go to Skyview. If you don’t then include Coates and McNair at Skyview, you’re creating a Westfield attendance island.

They just need to put their big boy pants on, draw sensible boundaries for Skyview that relieve overcrowding at Chantilly (flip a damn coin for Fox Mill vs. Crossfield), and move what’s needed to backfill Westfield. That means some of Centreville will need to move to Westfield, and we can pare back the ridiculous plan to expand Centreville to 3000, which would be a huge taxpayer rip-off.

Some of Chantilly also has to move to Westfield, a sizable chunk, like one full elementary school.

Agree, someone posted yesterday an explanation of the FARMs numbers in the area. Moving the proposed parts of Centreville will increase Westfield's numbers (already the highest school), and its already the red-headed step child of western FCPS. If they are concerned about "equity" they should move one of the wealthier Chantilly ESes.

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If Westfield has a student population way out of whack with what its neighboring schools will have (skyview, chantilly), then FCPS should take this opportunity to try to address that. Someone has to be moved anyway and there are zero obvious choices--might as well pick a neighborhood that will balance the schools out a little.

And it sounds like ALL the Chantilly HS elementary school zones are much closer than any other options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Westfield has a student population way out of whack with what its neighboring schools will have (skyview, chantilly), then FCPS should take this opportunity to try to address that. Someone has to be moved anyway and there are zero obvious choices--might as well pick a neighborhood that will balance the schools out a little.

And it sounds like ALL the Chantilly HS elementary school zones are much closer than any other options.

Shush! You are going to summon that pissed-off Lees Corner mom. Its like saying Beetlejuice three times.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s why I think Scenario 2 is best. It doesn’t have kids moving high schools. Only middle schools.

What are you talking about? Hundreds of kids-maybe 1000-- switch high schools downstream from Skyview in 2.

Can you give some examples of the moves please?

You can see on the map for scenario 2, click on High School. Anything in stripes is moving to a different school. 1800 kids to Skyview from other high schools and multiple secondary moves to backfill Westfield and I guess for other reasons at other schools. (How are you having this conversation if you don't understand how to read the maps?)

I was typing in street names and seeing the 3 scenarios in words. I do not pay attention to stripes.

I want a specific example of what street is moving to what school so we can talk commute times.

You said option 2 didn't have kids moving high schools. 2 does -in fact- have hundreds of kids moving to different high schools.

We can explain to you how to read the map, but we can't understand it for you.

Why can’t you give me a specific example? Kids would be moving from what high school and to which new one? And which community? Please share an example alone with commute times. I’d like to understand.

If you can't read the maps, you should just see yourself out of this conversation. We aren't going to explain every little nuance to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s why I think Scenario 2 is best. It doesn’t have kids moving high schools. Only middle schools.

What are you talking about? Hundreds of kids-maybe 1000-- switch high schools downstream from Skyview in 2.

Can you give some examples of the moves please?

You can see on the map for scenario 2, click on High School. Anything in stripes is moving to a different school. 1800 kids to Skyview from other high schools and multiple secondary moves to backfill Westfield and I guess for other reasons at other schools. (How are you having this conversation if you don't understand how to read the maps?)

I was typing in street names and seeing the 3 scenarios in words. I do not pay attention to stripes.

I want a specific example of what street is moving to what school so we can talk commute times.

You said option 2 didn't have kids moving high schools. 2 does -in fact- have hundreds of kids moving to different high schools.

We can explain to you how to read the map, but we can't understand it for you.

Why can’t you give me a specific example? Kids would be moving from what high school and to which new one? And which community? Please share an example alone with commute times. I’d like to understand.

If you can't read the maps, you should just see yourself out of this conversation. We aren't going to explain every little nuance to you.

You don’t have a specific example. So you don’t have a case to prevent a move due to proximity.