Government Shutdown - Sep 2025 Thread

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you cheering a shutdown because it will not impact you, how about you agree to donate your entire paycheck to provide medical care for the poor for every week the government is shut down and resign from your job if there are mass firings? No? Then don't expect federal workers to make the same sacrifice to satisfy your politics.

I'm a fed. Everyone in my office thinks the Dems should stand firm. I don't believe you're a fed.

sounds like we need to balance the feds in that they reflect the voting makeup of the country

It's always quotas with the Republicans. Can't you get a government job on your own merit?

Republicans want DEI for conservatives! Lol

[Anonymous]

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Democrats should acquiesce to all of the Doge cuts, downsizing and RIFs that Republicans propose.

Democrats DID acquiesce to all of this. They did nothing while thousands of federal workers were fired -- and that is why they are picking this pointless fight now over the clean CR, and that is why I object.

Ask yourself if Mitch McConnell would have stood by helplessly and said, we're out of the majority, nothing we can do, had this happened when Rs were in the minority. No. They would have come up with every creative legislative tool to jam up the works - stalling nominees, blue slips, filibusters, whatever. But Ds were steamrolled and feel bad about that now, so we are stuck with this performative nonsense.

It's clear that you are casting about for reasons to argue in your own personal interest - that there be no shutdown. As I said, that's understandable, though not compelling to anyone who is concerned with more than their own pocketbook.

And to be clear, "They didn't fight last time, so they shouldn't do so now" is not compelling.

What is the strategy here? At what point do you think the Republicans are going to fold and bring a bill to the floor that Democrats will support? They don't care if it gets shut down because they can and will make it the Dems fault in the public eye. They are so, so much better at that then the Dems are. I just don't see the endgame here. (and p.s., I'm not a fed)

Obviously. Because all the feds understand how important it is to stand up to Trump.

And the Republicans have the House, Senate, and Presidency. It is obvious that the shutdown will be their fault.

[Anonymous]

Is who is going to be blamed really the most important issue - not who is going to be hurt? Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018 shutdown? I know you all are thinking of federal lawyers when you post, but there are so many low paid federal workers who will be absolutely devastated by a missed paycheck. For the liberals on this post, missed paychecks mean people going hungry and possibly losing housing - that is what you are rooting for, not the SEC lawyer married to the A&P partner who can afford to miss many paychecks.

[Anonymous]

The average salary of a TSA worker is something like $46,000. Do you really think those folks can afford to keep working for weeks without a paycheck just so you can take your vacation? No - they are going to quit and work somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is who is going to be blamed really the most important issue - not who is going to be hurt? Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018 shutdown? I know you all are thinking of federal lawyers when you post, but there are so many low paid federal workers who will be absolutely devastated by a missed paycheck. For the liberals on this post, missed paychecks mean people going hungry and possibly losing housing - that is what you are rooting for, not the SEC lawyer married to the A&P partner who can afford to miss many paychecks.

Getting fired because Vought decided to ignore the constitution and the law by impounding the funds that pay your salary ALSO leads to hunger and loss of housing.

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And a shutdown is increasing the risk of firings, not reducing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And a shutdown is increasing the risk of firings, not reducing it.

Illegal firings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And a shutdown is increasing the risk of firings, not reducing it.

No. It might be moving them up a bit, but it wouldn't increase the risk of it happening at all.

[Anonymous]

No. It might be moving them up a bit, but it wouldn't increase the risk of it happening at all.

How do you know this? Are you sure or are you speculating? Because at my agency we are not doing RIFs and are down so many people that we are seeking hiring exemptions - but the shutdown puts the prospect of firings on the table.

[Anonymous]

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No. It might be moving them up a bit, but it wouldn't increase the risk of it happening at all.

How do you know this? Are you sure or are you speculating? Because at my agency we are not doing RIFs and are down so many people that we are seeking hiring exemptions - but the shutdown puts the prospect of firings on the table.

In March the Dems compromised because they were worried more firings would happen in a shutdown and that courts could eventually get closed too. Then a lot of illegal RIFS happened anyway, and court cases take so long that it’s not like jobs are going to be restored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is who is going to be blamed really the most important issue - not who is going to be hurt? Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018 shutdown? I know you all are thinking of federal lawyers when you post, but there are so many low paid federal workers who will be absolutely devastated by a missed paycheck. For the liberals on this post, missed paychecks mean people going hungry and possibly losing housing - that is what you are rooting for, not the SEC lawyer married to the A&P partner who can afford to miss many paychecks.

I think the focus on who should be blamed is incredibly misguided as well. This isn't about messaging, and I think everyone focusing on Democrats being "bad at messaging" is making it worse.

This should be about the moral responsibility of governing. Separation of powers is a fundamental part of our system and if the minority party in Congress gives in without negotiations the first time the White House says "nah, we won't negotiate, give us whatever we want," that's gone. It should also be about the budget being used to do horrible and objectionable things like build immigrant concentration camps where people are disappeared without due process. This stuff is WORTH some pain to try to stop. Unfortunately Democrats have decided to only press one issue that they think nobody can attack them on, but even that is worth it. Making health care unaffordable for millions of people is worth standing against!

I'm a fed without a high earning spouse. I have worked long enough to have an emergency fund, so I'm not the worst off. I also have been bracing to lose my job in the constantly threatened RIFs, so the idea of going without a paycheck is not just theoretical. This isn't a little wanting a vacation. It's actually about asking "what is the greater good?" And I don't think our paychecks are the best measure of that.b

[Anonymous]

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No. It might be moving them up a bit, but it wouldn't increase the risk of it happening at all.

How do you know this? Are you sure or are you speculating? Because at my agency we are not doing RIFs and are down so many people that we are seeking hiring exemptions - but the shutdown puts the prospect of firings on the table.

If you are so short staffed, why would they RIF you just because of a shutdown? Unless they plan to close your whole agency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is who is going to be blamed really the most important issue - not who is going to be hurt? Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018 shutdown? I know you all are thinking of federal lawyers when you post, but there are so many low paid federal workers who will be absolutely devastated by a missed paycheck. For the liberals on this post, missed paychecks mean people going hungry and possibly losing housing - that is what you are rooting for, not the SEC lawyer married to the A&P partner who can afford to miss many paychecks.

I think the focus on who should be blamed is incredibly misguided as well. This isn't about messaging, and I think everyone focusing on Democrats being "bad at messaging" is making it worse.

This should be about the moral responsibility of governing. Separation of powers is a fundamental part of our system and if the minority party in Congress gives in without negotiations the first time the White House says "nah, we won't negotiate, give us whatever we want," that's gone. It should also be about the budget being used to do horrible and objectionable things like build immigrant concentration camps where people are disappeared without due process. This stuff is WORTH some pain to try to stop. Unfortunately Democrats have decided to only press one issue that they think nobody can attack them on, but even that is worth it. Making health care unaffordable for millions of people is worth standing against!

I agree 100%. I just wonder what compromise we could expect from Republicans. So we shut it all down, are they even going to care that people are going without services? The only thing that makes an impact is TSA and ATC when they start refusing to show up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Democrats should acquiesce to all of the Doge cuts, downsizing and RIFs that Republicans propose.

Democrats DID acquiesce to all of this. They did nothing while thousands of federal workers were fired -- and that is why they are picking this pointless fight now over the clean CR, and that is why I object.

Ask yourself if Mitch McConnell would have stood by helplessly and said, we're out of the majority, nothing we can do, had this happened when Rs were in the minority. No. They would have come up with every creative legislative tool to jam up the works - stalling nominees, blue slips, filibusters, whatever. But Ds were steamrolled and feel bad about that now, so we are stuck with this performative nonsense.

It's clear that you are casting about for reasons to argue in your own personal interest - that there be no shutdown. As I said, that's understandable, though not compelling to anyone who is concerned with more than their own pocketbook.

And to be clear, "They didn't fight last time, so they shouldn't do so now" is not compelling.

What is the strategy here? At what point do you think the Republicans are going to fold and bring a bill to the floor that Democrats will support? They don't care if it gets shut down because they can and will make it the Dems fault in the public eye. They are so, so much better at that then the Dems are. I just don't see the endgame here. (and p.s., I'm not a fed)

Obviously. Because all the feds understand how important it is to stand up to Trump.

And the Republicans have the House, Senate, and Presidency. It is obvious that the shutdown will be their fault.

[Anonymous]

Just keep the chaos coming, gotta make more room for fascism. We should all be in the streets. General strike now.