American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage (Wall Street Journal)

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Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

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Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Dude, Luigi Mangione is 5'11" and we'll all take him.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that women who have never married are focusing on the “unpaid labor” aspect. That’s more of an issue that arises in marriage later on, after kids arrive. I think the likelier explanations are increased working areas, fewer social interactions generally (we see this in studies of Americans having fewer and fewer friendships, some of which would of course lead to romance), economic instability and fewer college educated, emotionally stable and well paid eligible men. More than ever, women are looking for income and education in men.

Somewhat.

But also, the “cat is out of the bag” how helpless married men are to live with and raise kids with. That is no longer a secret.

This is what my daughters saw on the regular for years…. No amount of propping him up could save him.

+1000 Mine will marry whatever is opposite of their father. Or not marry

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Anonymous wrote:Marriage and raising children are getting harder and harder for most young people around the world. Families have to be involved in supporting the couple, men and women have to workout their own equation in how to have a smooth functioning household, well raised children and enough money to live in a planet where fundamentals like housing, food, medical care, education, retirement etc are becoming more and more expensive.

The problem is that the entire majority White American society has lived for several generations in a society where everyone had access to easily available and excess resources without putting in the effort towards education, skills building, family and society building. Now the rules of the world is changing and there is no compatibility in the corporate world and the personal life.

American women have an expectation of equality in the home front as well as on the professional world. But, without the training, they are falling in both. Indeed, the lives of White American women actually becomes worse when they are married or when they have children. There is no validation they will get from themselves or society or corporate America when they are good moms, good wives or good workers. Also, society does not have their back if they get divorced.

Umm yea, I get validation from my job in the form of a paycheck that I use to support myself and my child. My pay was always more than my ex’s and now supports me just fine post divorce.

What “training” do American women need pray tell?

Training in birth-control, getting college education, running a household and being able to adult, raising good future citizens, attracting high quality mates, how to build families and a support network, how to be productive members, how to negotiate pay parity.

Women are keeping all of that going. Sure there are some women who are helpless but I've run into way more men who don't know how to do painfully basic tasks to take care of themselves. Budgeting, cooking, cleaning, making appointment.

My MIL actually asked me why I wasn't making my husband's dental appointments (don't worry he does it himself just fine). But that's sadly the norm for so many men.

*pikachu face*

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If government wants future laborers and tax payers, they'll have to make it affordable for locals to raise kids or let immigrants in.

This! America is so unsupportive of families it’s a joke.

From expensive daycare, to the school day ending before normal work days and random days off school, through $100k+ college tuition…

No wonder. Also, just because women don’t want to settle for loser men that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t having children. I have many friends who are SMBC.

Marriage tax!!

This isn’t an American only problem. If anything Americans are lagging behind trends in lower marriage rates that we have seen in Europe for years.

Marriage tax is the fact that a $150k husband and a $150k wife are taxed less income taxes than a $300k/ yr HHI married couple. You literally pay more taxes when legally married. wTF?! state and federal tax brackets are clear on this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

. . . .

Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Dude, Luigi Mangione is 5'11" and we'll all take him.

I personally wouldn’t, but that’s the point. It’s not women pushing the 6/6/6 rule, women are out there dating men of all #s. It’s the angry red pill/incel men who push this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that women who have never married are focusing on the “unpaid labor” aspect. That’s more of an issue that arises in marriage later on, after kids arrive. I think the likelier explanations are increased working areas, fewer social interactions generally (we see this in studies of Americans having fewer and fewer friendships, some of which would of course lead to romance), economic instability and fewer college educated, emotionally stable and well paid eligible men. More than ever, women are looking for income and education in men.

Do you think young women are stupid? It’s not hard to see.

Dating isn’t like marriage. It’s hard to see down the line how someone will interact with you once kids come along. Especially if you have lust blinders on.

This was the first generation of young women who truly saw moms work in near equal measure to dads- and breadwin in record numbers. This is also the first generation of young women who were raised in the activity laden nightmare that is modern day parenting. They heard terms like “mental load” and heard about the invisible work of parenting. They saw their parents work their ass off just to pay for daycare, while their standard of living wasn’t guaranteed to rise. This generation of women is neither smarter nor dumber than past- but they sure are more educated on the realities of cost of living/kids/quality of life issues

Agree to disagree. A subset of women may be thinking along these lines and not wanting to marry sure, but is that the primary reason for the decline in marriage? I personally think the other factors I raised, specifically the availability of well paid and educated men, are more relevant to the choice not to marry, and the workload balance is a greater cause for divorce.

You think women are so dumb that they cannot think in advance about what it would be like to be married with kids?

You’ve suggested twice that my comment means I think women are dumb. Bizarre take. I think most women do like the idea of marriage if they could find someone of equal status (emotional intelligence, hardworking, educated) and unfortunately that’s the real issue.

That’s not what the story or data says, but go on.

Jones, who identifies as politically moderate, thinks couples with kids should split household and child care responsibilities equally. She was surprised by just how few of the men she has encountered in D.C. share this view. Either they held traditional ideas about marriage or “were extremely crunchy liberal and wanted to live in a van and drive across the country.”

One bag lifestyle

Digital nomad

Bangkok girls

Save the world complex

Work is too boring for me

Why have a house when you can travel


Ring a bell anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

. . . .

Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Dude, Luigi Mangione is 5'11" and we'll all take him.

I personally wouldn’t, but that’s the point. It’s not women pushing the 6/6/6 rule, women are out there dating men of all #s. It’s the angry red pill/incel men who push this.

It also goes both ways. These weird redpiller incel types don’t want to date wierd ugly women. It’s incredibly rare that you see very attractive men with very unattractive women. Both genders do this type of stuff. Regular average women typically partner up with regular average men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

. . . .

Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Dude, Luigi Mangione is 5'11" and we'll all take him.

I personally wouldn’t, but that’s the point. It’s not women pushing the 6/6/6 rule, women are out there dating men of all #s. It’s the angry red pill/incel men who push this.

It also goes both ways. These weird redpiller incel types don’t want to date wierd ugly women. It’s incredibly rare that you see very attractive men with very unattractive women. Both genders do this type of stuff. Regular average women typically partner up with regular average men.

Yup. I posted a little while back that they all expect to be dating/f***ing 9s and 10s while they are 2s struggling to get by. They think they deserve whatever woman they want and are *shocked* when the women don’t want them back 😂

[Anonymous]

What's the female equal of red pill/incel?

[Anonymous]

Femcel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the female equal of red pill/incel?

Your average DCUM Relationships forum poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's the female equal of red pill/incel?

Your average DCUM Relationships forum poster.

snort.. except most of us on here are married

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's the female equal of red pill/incel?

Your average DCUM Relationships forum poster.

snort.. except most of us on here are married

And most of the people on here that you label "incel" are not, in fact, involuntarily celibate. Snort...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it was really about mental load and chores, you wouldn’t see women cohabitating with men. They may not be marrying but they are sharing apartments and living with them still.

You can get rid of a boyfriend much easier than a husband … especially if no kids.

Even easier not to live with them. Yet women are choosing to enter that arrangement, quite often. So again, I think what we are seeing is about more than just chores and who does what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If government wants future laborers and tax payers, they'll have to make it affordable for locals to raise kids or let immigrants in.

This! America is so unsupportive of families it’s a joke.

From expensive daycare, to the school day ending before normal work days and random days off school, through $100k+ college tuition…

No wonder. Also, just because women don’t want to settle for loser men that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t having children. I have many friends who are SMBC.

Marriage tax!!

This isn’t an American only problem. If anything Americans are lagging behind trends in lower marriage rates that we have seen in Europe for years.

Marriage tax is the fact that a $150k husband and a $150k wife are taxed less income taxes than a $300k/ yr HHI married couple. You literally pay more taxes when legally married. wTF?! state and federal tax brackets are clear on this.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/survey-singles-tax/