American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage (Wall Street Journal)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Lume vag deodorant?? lol

Care to elaborate on why you find this funny?

Yes. It’s the name of the first woman profiled’s start up coaching.

“Katie, who is 30 and runs Lume, a leadership coaching startup, out of New York City. “

I wouldn't want my business to be the sane name as a vag deodorant.

[Anonymous]

Men and women both want to avoid perpetual headaches.

[Anonymous]

How do we know who isn't settling and who has no options for settling so only appear to decline non-existent offers?

[Anonymous]

Time to invest more in pet care companies!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Lume vag deodorant?? lol

Care to elaborate on why you find this funny?

Yes. It’s the name of the first woman profiled’s start up coaching.

“Katie, who is 30 and runs Lume, a leadership coaching startup, out of New York City. “

I wouldn't want my business to be the sane name as a vag deodorant.

I’m sorry that your vagina needs a deodorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Lume vag deodorant?? lol

Care to elaborate on why you find this funny?

Yes. It’s the name of the first woman profiled’s start up coaching.

“Katie, who is 30 and runs Lume, a leadership coaching startup, out of New York City. “

I wouldn't want my business to be the sane name as a vag deodorant.

Since you have all the maturity of a freshman, shouldn't you be in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

This. Most men are entirely unsuitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

Definitely true for visible issues - mental, alcohol, abuse, etc. Those incompatible types stayed living at home or went off like lone wolves and may not have lived very long.

Issue today is the invisible disability ones may not be at home. There are more academic or job options for them to be a one trick pony.

Now with the easy living tech age, remote tech jobs, tons of mass/social media to parrot back, and graduating everyone from high school no matter what, they show up working in their studios and ordering food delivery.
Some desperate or Type A woman may even meet them in stem classes or grad school and be fooled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

It goes both ways and is partially self fulfilling. The typical woman nowadays isn’t someone most men would want to marry. Men historically were motivated to work hard and become attractive by the prospect of marriage and supporting their family. If you look around and the available women don’t appeal to you, or give away sex without commitment, what’s the point in making yourself a marriageable man? If young men are losing hope that a good future spouse for them even exists, it greatly reduces their drive to become marriageable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

But the article is deceptive because it profiled mostly college educated women but then explains it’s actually non college educated women who can’t find enough decent wage earning non college educated men. Which is really about the loss of blue collar jobs, and undermining of union wages thanks to our billionaire barons. I’m all for women’s independence but I don’t think these women have the same smbc options as the upperclass women do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

It goes both ways and is partially self fulfilling. The typical woman nowadays isn’t someone most men would want to marry. Men historically were motivated to work hard and become attractive by the prospect of marriage and supporting their family. If you look around and the available women don’t appeal to you, or give away sex without commitment, what’s the point in making yourself a marriageable man? If young men are losing hope that a good future spouse for them even exists, it greatly reduces their drive to become marriageable.

reminds me of this clip:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Lume vag deodorant?? lol

Care to elaborate on why you find this funny?

Yes. It’s the name of the first woman profiled’s start up coaching.

“Katie, who is 30 and runs Lume, a leadership coaching startup, out of New York City. “

I wouldn't want my business to be the sane name as a vag deodorant.

You might have better luck if you put it on your labia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Hard truth time: a large portion of the male population has always been comprised of "incompatible marriage partners" but women didn't used to have the agency to opt-out like we do now.

It goes both ways and is partially self fulfilling. The typical woman nowadays isn’t someone most men would want to marry. Men historically were motivated to work hard and become attractive by the prospect of marriage and supporting their family. If you look around and the available women don’t appeal to you, or give away sex without commitment, what’s the point in making yourself a marriageable man? If young men are losing hope that a good future spouse for them even exists, it greatly reduces their drive to become marriageable.

Your assertion isn't supported by the facts...again from the article:

American women have never been this resigned to staying single. They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing gender gaps in economic and educational attainment, political affiliation and beliefs about what a family should look like.

A 2022 Pew survey of single adults showed only 34% of single women were looking for romance, compared with 54% of single men, down from 38% and 61% in 2019. Men were also more likely than women to say they were worried that nobody would want to date them.

In a 2023 Pew Research Center survey of 5,073 U.S. adults, 48% of women said that being married was not too or not at all important for a fulfilling life, compared with 39% of men—up from 31% and 28% in 2019. In a 2024 Wall Street Journal/NORC poll, 58% of women aged 18 to 29 said marriage was at least somewhat essential to their vision of the American dream, compared with 66% of men.

Marriage rates for both men and women are in decline, in part owing to less pressure to pair off and higher expectations for a would-be match. “Dating apps make people feel like there might always be a better option,” said Melissa Kearney, an economist at the University of Maryland. “They view looking for a marriage partner the same way that you view looking for a job candidate.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Marriage is a losing proposition for a lot of higher earning women. They do most of the housechores, childcare while still earning more.

Would a man want to sign up for a marriage where he does most of the housechores, childcare, and bring home most of the income? I don't think so.

Marriage is a losing proposition if you don't marry someone with similar ambitions, work ethic, values, and emotional intelligence.