American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage (Wall Street Journal)

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanics have lots of kids. And maybe marry.

MoCo reported says 4.26 children per childbearing Hispanic woman.

Illegal immigrant Hispanic woman have a lot of kids. The DC native Latin American woman that I know and myself don't even have kids we have zero kids we don't have that itch to have kids so soon and squeeze them out like bunnies.

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Oh and the illegal immigrant Hispanic woman want the kids so they can be American born and so they can stay here whereas Latin American woman don't care about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Marriage for a highly paid woman is like signing up for a servitude contract without any guarantees of payback. She enters it while still young and desirable for her fertility. When she's over 40, husband can just dump her and divide everything. Men are only valuing women for their looks, fertility and sexuality. Why enter a union where you are only needed for the qualities that last just as much, only to get disposed with HUGE collateral damage to you and your children in 10-20 years?

Marriage is only attractive to women without a good earning capacity.

Good point. Unless one strives to be a tradwife (fine if you want that), it’s not a good deal for women. Why cook for 2 when you could for 1? Why clean for 2 when it’s likely cleaner without a man and easier to clean? Many women can get easy casual sex if they want, but many would rather grab the rabbit. Unless you literally cannot provide for yourself (tradwife), it’s easier to go at it alone.

If you want a transactional tit for tat set up then marriage is clearly not for you. If you love and enjoy each other then you don't mind doing things for each other.

Give it up. women don’t want to be unpaid labor for men any more, which is a big big reason for the fertility decline.

And I think the big precursor to this was women returning to the work force full time in large numbers. Say what you want about the SAHM dynamic, but for women okay with (or wanting to) perform those duties, it feels a lot less like "unpaid" labor and instead more like a partnership. Obviously if you hate housekeeping and childrearing then that isn't going to work for you. But as a long-time SAHM with a financially successful husband, I don't feel like my labor is unpaid. I live a very nice life. And I am a lot less resentful than most of them women on this thread.

And if you don't have a financially successful, safe, and loving husband? The majority of men in the US are not able to be any of these three things at any point in their lives. That is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanics have lots of kids. And maybe marry.

MoCo reported says 4.26 children per childbearing Hispanic woman.

Illegal immigrant Hispanic woman have a lot of kids. The DC native Latin American woman that I know and myself don't even have kids we have zero kids we don't have that itch to have kids so soon and squeeze them out like bunnies.

What type of Latina are you guys?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that women who have never married are focusing on the “unpaid labor” aspect. That’s more of an issue that arises in marriage later on, after kids arrive. I think the likelier explanations are increased working areas, fewer social interactions generally (we see this in studies of Americans having fewer and fewer friendships, some of which would of course lead to romance), economic instability and fewer college educated, emotionally stable and well paid eligible men. More than ever, women are looking for income and education in men.

You don’t think young women grow up in this dynamic? Seeing their working mom slave away while dad does $hit all sitting on the couch? Gmafb. You are not giving women enough credit here. Are you a man?

I’m a woman of a young adult daughter. She and girlfriends absolutely want marriage but they have high standards. They want smart, ambitious, college educated. Guys like that have no problem finding women but there are more women on that category than men.

ie, women have stepped up their game, but men have not. It's why we have incels.

As a mom also of sons - how do we fix this?

Incels are just guys who can’t get laid. About a third are on the spectrum. More than half are left of center politically. About 45 percent are not white. Most are not narcissists or psychopaths (if they were they could figure out how to charm their way to sex) but are instead perpetual victims.

Confusing and conflating these sad sacks with red pill or Andrew Tate types is just like when adults who don’t know better freaked out about gangsta rap or video games.

What's the equivalent of incel for women?

Femcel

In -cel theory there is debate if femcels are really incels or just “vol-cels”

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that women who have never married are focusing on the “unpaid labor” aspect. That’s more of an issue that arises in marriage later on, after kids arrive. I think the likelier explanations are increased working areas, fewer social interactions generally (we see this in studies of Americans having fewer and fewer friendships, some of which would of course lead to romance), economic instability and fewer college educated, emotionally stable and well paid eligible men. More than ever, women are looking for income and education in men.

You don’t think young women grow up in this dynamic? Seeing their working mom slave away while dad does $hit all sitting on the couch? Gmafb. You are not giving women enough credit here. Are you a man?

I’m a woman of a young adult daughter. She and girlfriends absolutely want marriage but they have high standards. They want smart, ambitious, college educated. Guys like that have no problem finding women but there are more women on that category than men.

ie, women have stepped up their game, but men have not. It's why we have incels.

As a mom also of sons - how do we fix this?

Incels are just guys who can’t get laid. About a third are on the spectrum. More than half are left of center politically. About 45 percent are not white. Most are not narcissists or psychopaths (if they were they could figure out how to charm their way to sex) but are instead perpetual victims.

Confusing and conflating these sad sacks with red pill or Andrew Tate types is just like when adults who don’t know better freaked out about gangsta rap or video games.

What's the equivalent of incel for women?

Femcel

In -cel theory there is debate if femcels are really incels or just “vol-cels”

Or In-sol. Someone who can live without frequent sex but doesn’t want the solitude of not having a relationship.

[Anonymous]

I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

By a very wide margin, most of the popular red pill streamers on YouTube are black men. Andrew Tate gets all the attention but there’s a whole ecosystem of other hosts.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

By a very wide margin, most of the popular red pill streamers on YouTube are black men. Andrew Tate gets all the attention but there’s a whole ecosystem of other hosts.

They are just selling content. That's all. The messenger does not have to believe the message. The folks selling vapes to kids don't necessarily vape themselves. Those black men you are talking about are not different from the White men selling cigarettes or ammunition. They all have one thing in common: MAKE MONEY

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Anonymous wrote:I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

The social conservatism of black people has its origin from the early interactions between Christian Anglo Saxons and Africans. We don't teach history anymore it's sad.

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Women need to no longer have sex.

No more kids

No more marriage.

Buy property ladeis lots of it. And Gold bars.

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Sex robots for the incels can solve a lot of these problems. Then the females can fight over or share the top men. Everyone is happy, win-win.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

By a very wide margin, most of the popular red pill streamers on YouTube are black men. Andrew Tate gets all the attention but there’s a whole ecosystem of other hosts.

They are just selling content. That's all. The messenger does not have to believe the message. The folks selling vapes to kids don't necessarily vape themselves. Those black men you are talking about are not different from the White men selling cigarettes or ammunition. They all have one thing in common: MAKE MONEY

Yes, you idiot who completely ignored that someone has to consumer their produce as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this affecting my/ black community the most. Just two-three generations ago, big families like the Jacksons were super common. It was common for black women to have 5+ kids-sometimes more even during segregation. Nowadays, lots of bw and bm don’t have any kids and aren’t going to church every Sunday. We used to be most socially conservative community in the States. Most black people didn’t believe in abortion, LGBT, OOW families, divorce, even called secular music “devils music”.

By a very wide margin, most of the popular red pill streamers on YouTube are black men. Andrew Tate gets all the attention but there’s a whole ecosystem of other hosts.

Andrew Tate doesn't look black to me.

[Anonymous]

Marriage can be OK, but children just sink everything.

Too much work and too expensive.


Most men really run out of gas in their late 50s, too.