NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:other than bashing Trump, does the Democrat party have an agenda, platform, or vision?

I would like to hear somebody lay that out without saying anything negative about Trump. I bet you can't do it.


There is no plan from the Dem donor class. It will be sheer chaos on the convention floor:

AOC describes it in her IG Live broadcast last night:


“If you think that’s going to be an easy transition, I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class, a huge amount of these elites, a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that I see that are pushing for President Biden to not be the nominee also are not interested in seeing the vice president be the nominee,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

The New York congresswoman warned, “mind you, if you have an open convention, the convention could then go on for days, if you have a bunch of nominees” and that “the legal problems start to mount” in that scenario. She continued, “I am concerned about the lack of thought that I have seen from the individuals that would be responsible for executing on this.”

“I’m not here to tell you, like, (the) polling is amazing,” Ocasio-Cortez conceded, adding, “there is no safe option.”

Earlier, she acknowledged, “I’m not here to tell you if Joe Biden is the nominee, he’s definitely going to win.”


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-rnc-07-19-24#h_eccf6c43bdb17da21898ccb2cb906ee8



The Democrats are so dead. It sounds like AOC is basically trying to sabotage them. does she want the nomination herself? it will be fascinating to see what historians and political scientists write about this years from now. Possible narratives:
1. the pendulum swung too far to the left, and it had to swing back at some point
2. the Democrat party was taken over by leftists, and when the chips were down, they did not care about the country OR the Democrat party, but just themselves.


Ah yes, Joe Biden the far leftist in the White House.

I think AOC is just describing the reality of what she's hearing - the big money does not want Harris. They want a messy open floor fight for which there do not appear to be clear DNC rules. It will only further cement the "Democrats in disarray" and help Trump - of all people! - to look like the stable and non-chaotic candidate.

Swing voters don't want chaos. And elite Democrats insist on serving it up by the bucket.

what would the elite donors' end goal be here to have a chaotic DNC? Not following what purpose that serves for them.


I think the donors in general are a bit too anxious and data -driven . They refuse to see beyond the polls but everyone has bad polling weeks including winning candidates and Biden was similarly losing polls during the summer of 2020 after the BLM protests . AOC’s point is a valuable one that we still have plenty of time from now until November but the party and donors are freaking out because of polling.


Also, every Democratic politician (except for possibly AOC?) has been flooded with messages from their voters that they want Biden to step down.

Democrats are listening to the people. It's not the other way around.


AOC makes a valid point. She is saying the elites don’t want the obvious choice-the VP. They essentially want to dump the sitting Pres AND VP in favor of an open primary weeks away from the actual convention. That’s such a chaotic mess but it’s what the party operatives want . The DNC is in disarray .

My point is by making it ALL about Trump the boogeyman , the DNC is similarly setting itself up for failure in 2028. The most successful campaigns are not opposition warfare but provide optimism and hope and an actual substantive unifying platform and message. I am not sure what that is for the Democrats because they haven’t communicated that whatsoever .

With Obama in 08, he got my vote and the vote of the party because he promised to the end the war in Iraq, find OBL, and fix the economy, pass healthcare , provide banking reform and bailouts for the auto industry and mortgage crisis . He wasn’t perfect but he did most of these things in his first term .

I am not sure what Biden plans to do for us in the next four years .
“Restoring democracy” and “saving the soul of America” are vague empty terms and not policy driven at all. The Dems need to stop meaningless rhetoric and get serious about what they plan for us as Americans . What do they dream to accomplish? Is gun control on that list because I don’t hear them talk about it? All I hear is Trump Trump Trump 24/7


He has actually laid out a First 100 day agenda and it is on the campaign website. The media has ignored it, but it is readily available and it isn't just "beat Trump" and "restore democracy"
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Biden’s campaign chair acknowledges support ‘slippage’ but says he’s staying in the race

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden’s campaign is insisting anew that he is not stepping aside as he faces the stark reality that many Democrats at the highest levels want him to bow out of the 2024 election to make way for a new nominee and try to prevent widespread party losses in November.


Isolated as he battles a COVID-19 infection at his beach house in Delaware, Biden’s already small circle of confidants before his debate fumbling has shrunk further. The president, who has insisted he can beat Republican Donald Trump, is with family and relying on a few longtime aides as he weighs whether to bow to the mounting pressure.

Biden campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillion acknowledged “slippage” in support for the president, but insisted he is “absolutely” remaining in the race and that the campaign sees “multiple paths” to beating Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-election-trump-democrats-329071c25dfaaae583b5f06184586267

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943


Most people don't follow politics and know little to nothing about those candidates. It shows there's an appetite for random person who isn't Biden or Trump, which is something, but it doesn't mean they can build a good GOTV campaign, withstand attacks on their weaknesses, and swing independents. It's still a big risk for the DNC.
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.


He was to be a one-term, bridge president while the parties found better candidates. He's not an incumbent. He has stayed on too long.
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.


Look, most of us are going to vote for whomever is at the top of the Democratic ticket. Young voters and independents are more likely to vote if there is a new candidate. And 3% of Trump voters would defect if a different candidate were chosen. And there are a few good candidates that are polling stronger than Biden.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
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AOC shares that the Democratic leaders trying to force out Biden have not war-gamed for legal contingencies:


“A lot of them are not just interested in removing the president. They are interested in removing the whole ticket,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

As far as a plan for replacing Biden, Ocasio-Cortez said that whenever she has asked, she hasn’t gotten an answer.

“I have stood up in rooms with all of these people and I have said, ‘Game out your actual plan for me.’ What are the risks of this going to the Supreme Court? And no one had an answer for me.… I’m talking about the lawyers. I’m talking about the legislators,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

https://newrepublic.com/post/184042/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-warning-biden-drop-out-instagram-live


You know it's bad when AOC is one of the few voices of reason. GenX "NextGen" Dems are so antsy to take the reins of power that they are willing to gamble on losing it all to DJT.
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I’m not a fan of AOC at all but this is a pretty good analysis of what she said. And this is what has always worried me - that if Biden did bow out - either before deciding to run again or now after - we’d have nothing but a clusterf^ck circular firing squad in his place.
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.


No. Harris is polling significantly better than any other candidate, and especially the incumbent. She is the only one who ties with Trump. All the others lose. To stick with Biden would be ensure a GOP victory up and down the ballot.

I don't know why you can't acknowledge this, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to changing the top of the ticket.
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Anonymous wrote:AOC shares that the Democratic leaders trying to force out Biden have not war-gamed for legal contingencies:


“A lot of them are not just interested in removing the president. They are interested in removing the whole ticket,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

As far as a plan for replacing Biden, Ocasio-Cortez said that whenever she has asked, she hasn’t gotten an answer.

“I have stood up in rooms with all of these people and I have said, ‘Game out your actual plan for me.’ What are the risks of this going to the Supreme Court? And no one had an answer for me.… I’m talking about the lawyers. I’m talking about the legislators,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

https://newrepublic.com/post/184042/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-warning-biden-drop-out-instagram-live


You know it's bad when AOC is one of the few voices of reason. GenX "NextGen" Dems are so antsy to take the reins of power that they are willing to gamble on losing it all to DJT.

+1 You can’t demand a setting president step aside and have your alternative just be <waves hands>
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


NP here: yes, it absolutely matters. No Dem - including Biden - is outperforming Trump beyond the surveys' margin of error. And Biden is still within margin of error in almost every swing state.

In other words, it's a tie right now between Trump vs. every conceivable Democrat (including the sitting POTUS Biden).

Incumbency is easily the most valuable tool in a POTUS election campaign. It's no contest. Why Democrats would give up the advantage of incumbency is beyond my comprehension. It's not 4D chess, its a game of blindfolded Marco Polo and the Dems are drowning as they blindly try to find a magic candidate that doesn't exist.


No. Harris is polling significantly better than any other candidate, and especially the incumbent. She is the only one who ties with Trump. All the others lose. To stick with Biden would be ensure a GOP victory up and down the ballot.

I don't know why you can't acknowledge this, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to changing the top of the ticket.

There are reports that the big donors pressuring the House and Senate Ds don’t want Harris either, which means clusterf^ck.
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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.


If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.


It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943


Most people don't follow politics and know little to nothing about those candidates. It shows there's an appetite for random person who isn't Biden or Trump, which is something, but it doesn't mean they can build a good GOTV campaign, withstand attacks on their weaknesses, and swing independents. It's still a big risk for the DNC.


AP published a poll yesterday. 65 percent of Democrats want Biden to drop out now. The only people advocating for Biden to remain in the race are Republicans. It's an easy landslide victory for them across the board as long as Biden is at the top of the ticket.

Risk implies uncertainty. There is no uncertainty for Democrats while Biden is in the race. It is a guaranteed catastrophic loss - the presidency, the Senate, the House, governors, state houses, dog catchers, all of it. The race was lost for Democrats ten minutes into last month's debate.
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Anonymous wrote:AOC shares that the Democratic leaders trying to force out Biden have not war-gamed for legal contingencies:


“A lot of them are not just interested in removing the president. They are interested in removing the whole ticket,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

As far as a plan for replacing Biden, Ocasio-Cortez said that whenever she has asked, she hasn’t gotten an answer.

“I have stood up in rooms with all of these people and I have said, ‘Game out your actual plan for me.’ What are the risks of this going to the Supreme Court? And no one had an answer for me.… I’m talking about the lawyers. I’m talking about the legislators,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

https://newrepublic.com/post/184042/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-warning-biden-drop-out-instagram-live


You know it's bad when AOC is one of the few voices of reason. GenX "NextGen" Dems are so antsy to take the reins of power that they are willing to gamble on losing it all to DJT.


She’s going to be out next president. She’s really jockeying against Obamas influence on the party if one really pays attention. Obamas ego and Hillary’s ego has destroyed the party . Why he stopped Biden from running in 2016 because he anointed Hillary as his successor and it was her turn was beyond egotistical. He is not the candidate whisperer clearly because Hillary lost badly and he didn’t care about it being Hillary’s turn when HE ran against her in 2007 with only 2 years experience in the Senate . Obama should’ve been a viable candidate now.
He’s still younger than Biden, HRC, and Trump. His jokes and need to crack down and punch down with humor is what caused Trump to run in the first place
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“With President Biden sidelined by COVID and trailing Trump in a new poll, Quentin Fulks, the Biden-Harris campaign's principal deputy manager, joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about the increasing calls from within the Democratic party for Biden to drop out of the race and re-election campaign strategy.“
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