Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to children like the 6 year old in this situation? Are they institutionalized for the remainder of their youth?

Depends on the underlying disability. For some, it can be a group home or institutional setting for life.

News reported it's very, very rare for a child under age 7 to be charged with anything. Time will tell. I certainly hope the prosecution is building a strong case with a long track record of his behavior fully documented. This certainly does not seem like a case of a kid not understanding the repercussions of his actions.

Not sure what would be best for this kid but certainly no 6 year old anywhere has the understanding of an adult. They just don't. Yes, they know rules and right-and-wrong and that they shouldn't hit, kick, bite, or shoot people. But kids do all sorts of things they aren't supposed to, and they don't exactly know the severity of the difference.

My 5 year old understands that people can die if you shoot them.

I'm sure this almost 7 year old did too. If fact he used the word "kill" and "die."

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Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

Just because the school gets sued doesn’t mean there is a case. Workers comp is the exclusive remedy for injuries that occur in the workplace and I’m sure the school is going to accept her claim.

Oh, there is a case. Worth millions. Wait for a settlement from the City.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to children like the 6 year old in this situation? Are they institutionalized for the remainder of their youth?

Depends on the underlying disability. For some, it can be a group home or institutional setting for life.

News reported it's very, very rare for a child under age 7 to be charged with anything. Time will tell. I certainly hope the prosecution is building a strong case with a long track record of his behavior fully documented. This certainly does not seem like a case of a kid not understanding the repercussions of his actions.

Not sure what would be best for this kid but certainly no 6 year old anywhere has the understanding of an adult. They just don't. Yes, they know rules and right-and-wrong and that they shouldn't hit, kick, bite, or shoot people. But kids do all sorts of things they aren't supposed to, and they don't exactly know the severity of the difference.

My 5 year old understands that people can die if you shoot them.

I'm sure this almost 7 year old did too. If fact he used the word "kill" and "die."

Yes, but kids also think that people respawn or will just be alive later.

Little kids really don't understand death in an adult way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

Just because the school gets sued doesn’t mean there is a case. Workers comp is the exclusive remedy for injuries that occur in the workplace and I’m sure the school is going to accept her claim.

Oh, there is a case. Worth millions. Wait for a settlement from the City.

Agreed. The City can argue that the teacher's injuries are just like she slipped on a banana peel and covered by workers comp, but I suspect that won't go over so well. They will settle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

Just because the school gets sued doesn’t mean there is a case. Workers comp is the exclusive remedy for injuries that occur in the workplace and I’m sure the school is going to accept her claim.

This goes beyond worker's comp. By no means a lawyer but this is negligence on the school's part.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to children like the 6 year old in this situation? Are they institutionalized for the remainder of their youth?

Depends on the underlying disability. For some, it can be a group home or institutional setting for life.

News reported it's very, very rare for a child under age 7 to be charged with anything. Time will tell. I certainly hope the prosecution is building a strong case with a long track record of his behavior fully documented. This certainly does not seem like a case of a kid not understanding the repercussions of his actions.

PP here. I didn't mean incarceration for a crime. I mean possible places for him due to his disability, if severe.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

Just because the school gets sued doesn’t mean there is a case. Workers comp is the exclusive remedy for injuries that occur in the workplace and I’m sure the school is going to accept her claim.

Teacher can file a separate lawsuit, outside of a workman's comp claim, due to her injuries being a result of the gross negligence and willful misconduct of her employer, which the injuries were.

Not an exception in VA.

There is an exception for the employer not following federal law. In Virginia, I would assume this school is a within the Gun Free Zone. Here we have school administrators, who were told on at least 4 occasions by 4 different employees that a 6 year old had a gun in his possession and that he made threats with it. It would be reasonable to the average person to assume, based on the limited information that has been made public, that a person would have taken action that is required under federal law. But the admin did not nothing, over and over again. Not once, not twice, not three times, at least 4 times.

Workmans comp is for when you slip and fall from water on the ground from a leaking ceiling, etc. It is not a carte blanche to allow employers to willfully, and grossfully negligently and purposefully break the law. Period.

I know you want that to be true but it isn’t. Workers comp is for all injuries that occur in the course and scope of employment. Even those caused by gross negligence. And even those caused by willful misconduct unless the employer intended to hurt you. Like rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach kindergarten and I have to say it never occurred to me that I wouldn’t be allowed to search a student’s backpack or pockets. I go in their backpacks all the time to locate forms, put papers in etc. for older kids I wouldn’t but most 6 year olds still need assistance.

+1 same for any student in elemtary school where I've worked. I'll add that I've never had an admin who would not support teacher concerns if any kind of weapon were suspected. I honestly can't imagine what the members of this school's admin team (or at Ethan Crumblry"s school) were thinking!

They were terrified of getting sued by the kids parents. Some admin are so scared of this they will not handle any issue. Ironically they’re now going to get sued into the ground by the teacher who could have been killed because they were so unwilling to do anything that would protect her and the students but upset the boy’s negligent parents

Just because the school gets sued doesn’t mean there is a case. Workers comp is the exclusive remedy for injuries that occur in the workplace and I’m sure the school is going to accept her claim.

This goes beyond worker's comp. By no means a lawyer but this is negligence on the school's part.

Of course. But that doesn’t matter. Fault is not part of the consideration.

Here’s the rub though. If the teacher pursues through the civil system and it takes a long time to resolve, she could be time barred for comp. And if that happened her only recovery would be to sue her employer. Of course she could sue the family but that’s getting her nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did I read that article correctly that they haven't been in school since the shooting and won't go back until next week?

That's even more appalling! I would have assumed a day or two off, but then get the kids and teachers back on campus with therapists and social workers. Instead all of the famlies in the school had to handle helping their children on their own, not to mention three weeks of childcare for those that work?

Ma'am or sir, a teacher nearly died...

[Anonymous]

The district knew the facts of the case would come out and the administration would need to be replaced. That doesn’t happen in a day or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The district knew the facts of the case would come out and the administration would need to be replaced. That doesn’t happen in a day or two.

The superintendent is leaving on February 1.

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Anonymous wrote:The district knew the facts of the case would come out and the administration would need to be replaced. That doesn’t happen in a day or two.

The superintendent is leaving on February 1.

And the AP who resigned knew what would be coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did I read that article correctly that they haven't been in school since the shooting and won't go back until next week?

That's even more appalling! I would have assumed a day or two off, but then get the kids and teachers back on campus with therapists and social workers. Instead all of the famlies in the school had to handle helping their children on their own, not to mention three weeks of childcare for those that work?

Oh so your reaction is "someone got shot? Not me or my kid? Then no problem, let's get back to business as usual."

What makes you think anyone at that school is even remotely ready to teach or learn right now? They're all scarred for life.

Stupids who love their guns don't need education.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to be charged

as accessories before the fact. And put away for a few decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did I read that article correctly that they haven't been in school since the shooting and won't go back until next week?

That's even more appalling! I would have assumed a day or two off, but then get the kids and teachers back on campus with therapists and social workers. Instead all of the famlies in the school had to handle helping their children on their own, not to mention three weeks of childcare for those that work?

Oh so your reaction is "someone got shot? Not me or my kid? Then no problem, let's get back to business as usual."

What makes you think anyone at that school is even remotely ready to teach or learn right now? They're all scarred for life.

Stupids who love their guns don't need education.

Do you think that any student who engages in a violent act with or without a gun doesn't need an education?