8th grader who is 15?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure it would be hard to have a 20 year old senior, fortunately that doesn’t really happen.

There are plenty of 19 year old seniors. Way to old. Especially when some start high school at 13.

If they are 19 during their senior year then they have a fall/spring birthday and were redshirted one year. It's uncommon for fall/spring birthday kids to be redshirted.

So not "plenty".

It is common for spring birthdays, don’t be naive.

Not in the DC area - except for maybe a handful of privates.

+1 I've been a public school teacher in the DC area for 28 years; spring birthday redshirts are definitely rare.

2 neighbors have April birthdays who are both redshirted and my child has a classmate who has a February birthday who is also redshirted.

Where is this?

Did they just start K? Maybe parents were worried about covid since they didn’t have vaccine last fall.

These are all teenage kids so no, not covid related.

Where is this? DC area? Public or private?

Redshirting spring birthdays is uncommon in DC area - except for a handful of private schools. And maybe this batch of covid Kindergarteners.

Yes, dc area and both public and private. No, it is not uncommon, it has been our experience since preschool and I work in the school system. It’s absurd.

Which public school system in the DC area has common spring redshirting?

+1 I’m not really buying it. Occasional, sure. There’s always outliers. But I’ve lived here 12 years and have 2 kids in public school and almost all redshirted kids I know have July-September birthdays. I also know 2 redshirted May/June birthday boys who both had extenuating circumstances, one moved to the US from overseas as a 4 year old and couldn’t adjust to school and the other was a preemie at birth who’s actual due date wasn’t until well into the summer and had some lasting delays due to prematurity. Again, uncommon edge cases and both of the kids had birthdays right around the last day of school anyway. So I guess they’d each be 19 for like 2 weeks of senior year? Oh no, how awful.

Well, I’ve had a February redshirted kid in my class and at least a handful of spring ones every school year.

Which school system? What time of class? General ed?

Probably gifted/honors classes.

I was thinking SpEd.

That makes no sense. The SpEd kids are the kids struggling in school the most, so they are most likely the youngest kids. The honors students are the ones doing the best in school, so they are most likely the oldest kids.

Wrong, my young for the grade kid started algebra in 6th, all honors. Smart kids will do ok.

If he had been old for his grade, he probably would've been in Geometry in 6th grade. Any individual is going to do better as the oldest than as the youngest.

What??? Only intellectually, emotionally or socially slow kids are held back. Or kids with physical issues.

Smart kids will always do well. And if your kid is a math superstar, even then they will not be offered more acceleration than what the school system allows.

The PP's son is on track to take Pre-Calculus his freshman year of high school. I know a few people who took Calculus AB their freshman year.

That's fantastic but our schools didn't offer it and I think my kid is doing pretty well talking pre-calculus freshman year. But, being 13 and doing pre-calculus is pretty good.

I agree that it's pretty good. I am completely aware that there are students on the young end who have excelled, but those students would've done even better had they been on the old end. I am also aware that there are students on the old end who have struggled, but those students would've done even worse had they been on the young end. I mean, why settle for being vice-president when you could be president?

Not everyone wants to be president or wants their kids to be president. My kid gets straight A's so I'm not sure how much better you think they could or should be doing. That isn't good enough for doing well?

My nephew is doing pretty bad, despite having a January birthday. He's entering 9th grade, and will be taking Geometry, while most of his friends will be taking Algebra II, despite being younger than him. However, it is possible to take Algebra I in 9th grade, so if my nephew were younger than his classmates, he could very well be taking Algebra I in 9th grade. The 2nd-lowest math-track is pretty bad, but the lowest is even worse.

Most 9th graders take Geometry - your nephew is fine. People on here are insane...

Not where he goes to school.

Generally, it depends on the student's race and gender. From what I've seen, this is the breakdown for math-tracks from grades 9 through 12.

White boys:

Precalculus
Calculus AB
Calculus BC
Multivariable Calculus

White girls and Asian boys:

Algebra II
Precalculus
Calculus AB
Calculus BC

Asian girls and black boys:

Geometry
Algebra II
Precalculus
Calculus AB

Black girls and Latin-American boys:

Algebra I
Geometry
Algebra II
Precalculus

Latin-American girls:

Pre-Algebra
Algebra I
Geometry
Algebra II

You must be at at rich school. Ours is not like that at all and very diverse in what kids take. Very few kids start pre-cal. in 9th. Very few.

And certainly not the “white boys”.

Huh? "White boys" are the highest achieving demographic in STEM.

Where are you? That isn’t true around here.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

He would have struggled regardless of the grade he was in and needed more help and support. Some kids aren’t math kids and you don’t need calculus in the real world. 6 years for college is absurd. There is clearly more going on than age.

Wow, are you a developmental pediatrician or do you just play one on the internet?

Not a developmental ped but work in a field with many SN kids and have one. What help did you get him? Holding him back a year would not have fixed those issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

6 years for college is absurd.

Well, he dropped out at 17 after his first semester, so he technically wasn't in college for 6 years. I just meant that 6 years passed between him graduating high school and him graduating college.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure it would be hard to have a 20 year old senior, fortunately that doesn’t really happen.

There are plenty of 19 year old seniors. Way to old. Especially when some start high school at 13.

If they are 19 during their senior year then they have a fall/spring birthday and were redshirted one year. It's uncommon for fall/spring birthday kids to be redshirted.

So not "plenty".

It is common for spring birthdays, don’t be naive.

Not in the DC area - except for maybe a handful of privates.

+1 I've been a public school teacher in the DC area for 28 years; spring birthday redshirts are definitely rare.

2 neighbors have April birthdays who are both redshirted and my child has a classmate who has a February birthday who is also redshirted.

Where is this?

Did they just start K? Maybe parents were worried about covid since they didn’t have vaccine last fall.

These are all teenage kids so no, not covid related.

Where is this? DC area? Public or private?

Redshirting spring birthdays is uncommon in DC area - except for a handful of private schools. And maybe this batch of covid Kindergarteners.

Yes, dc area and both public and private. No, it is not uncommon, it has been our experience since preschool and I work in the school system. It’s absurd.

Which public school system in the DC area has common spring redshirting?

None. The PP is pulling stuff out of thin air.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure it would be hard to have a 20 year old senior, fortunately that doesn’t really happen.

A kid turning 20 during senior year would be "redshirted" twice. Very very rare or extenuating circumstances (ELL).

Recap - with no redshirting (or gap year, etc) and cutoff after the start of school (e.g., 9/30 in VA):
8th: 12-14; most are 13 turning 14 during school year
9th: 13-15; most are 14 turning 15
10th: 14-16; most are 15 turning 16
11th: 15-17; most are 16 turning 17
12th: 16-18; most are 17 turning 18
F: 17-19, most 18 turning 19
S: 18-20, most 19 turning 20
J: 19-21, most 20 turning 21
S: 20-22, most 21 turning 22

Recap again for people who struggle with math.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

6 years for college is absurd.

Well, he dropped out at 17 after his first semester, so he technically wasn't in college for 6 years. I just meant that 6 years passed between him graduating high school and him graduating college.

Did you get him help when hew as struggling or just make excuses? My child has SN and we sent them at 4/5. We got them all the supports and help they need and are thriving. So, either your child struggled based off IQ or other reasons like mental health and/or needed a lot of supports that they didn't get.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

He would have struggled regardless of the grade he was in and needed more help and support. Some kids aren’t math kids and you don’t need calculus in the real world. 6 years for college is absurd. There is clearly more going on than age.

Wow, are you a developmental pediatrician or do you just play one on the internet?

Holding him back a year would not have fixed those issues.

Had I held him back a year, he would've started college at 18, meaning he would've been more ready for college and less likely to drop out. I don't know anyone who started college at 18 that dropped out or took longer than 4 years.

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MS teacher here. It has become increasingly common. 10 years ago, if my MS had an 8th grader who was 15, they were usually a kid new to the US. Now, it’s a lot of redshirted middle class White boys. I even had a 14 year old seventh grade girl a few years ago.

I haven’t found them more prone to inappropriate behavior than the 14 year old 8th graders. A lot them were redshirted because of immaturity and they are still behind their chronological age peers.

High school does concern me a bit more. 20 year old non-SN outliers aside, there are quite a few students who spend an entire year in HS after they turn 18. They are no longer under a parent’s authority which limits what schools can do with them. All in all, though, an 18-20 who is attending high school probably has concerns that could be better met in a dedicated program for non-traditional age students. For example, fully asynchronous courses or expanded in-person hours so they have the flexibility to work FT or to care for their own children if needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

He would have struggled regardless of the grade he was in and needed more help and support. Some kids aren’t math kids and you don’t need calculus in the real world. 6 years for college is absurd. There is clearly more going on than age.

Wow, are you a developmental pediatrician or do you just play one on the internet?

Holding him back a year would not have fixed those issues.

Had I held him back a year, he would've started college at 18, meaning he would've been more ready for college and less likely to drop out. I don't know anyone who started college at 18 that dropped out or took longer than 4 years.

I know lots who did. And I know 17 year olds who thrived. It’s not cut and dried.

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Anonymous wrote:Look kids aren’t dumb, they figure it out and often attribute any supposed advantages (height, weight, muscle mass, etc.) that an older peer might have to their older age. Children are very focused on people’s ages in general, haven’t you noticed this? It’s one of the first things they ask.

My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

Maybe at 8 but kids become much shrewder and aware of how hierarchies work in the real world by middle school. Plus you don’t know what any of these kids privately think in their heads. It’s not like I announced my thoughts to anyone, I knew they were not “nice.” Just honest.

My brother, on the other hand, started K as a 4 year old and struggled a lot more academically, socially, etc. He should have been held back.

Your parents aren't alone in sending kids to school before they're ready. I made the exact same mistake. I sent my December-born son to Kindergarten at 4 and also struggled in school. Not only did he graduate high school without having taken any Calculus, but he also took 6 years to get his Bachelor's degree. To this day, I still regret not waiting a year. Had I waited a year, I just know he would've graduated college in the normal 4 years, and not experienced the humiliation of watching all his friends graduate before him.

He would have struggled regardless of the grade he was in and needed more help and support. Some kids aren’t math kids and you don’t need calculus in the real world. 6 years for college is absurd. There is clearly more going on than age.

Wow, are you a developmental pediatrician or do you just play one on the internet?

Not a developmental ped but work in a field with many SN kids and have one. What help did you get him? Holding him back a year would not have fixed those issues.

And you are …..? I’m not the person who mentioned calculus, but i held one of my kids back. Nobody needs to justify their decisions to a stranger. The school and I agreed and that’s all that was necessary. You don’t get a say, weirdo. My kid is doing just fine, no regrets.

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My kid has a fall birthday. He was 13 throughout 8th grade. He took 3 ninth grade classes (4 if you include FL) and played on the JV tennis team. He’ll start on varsity this year. He’s aware that he’s younger than his peers and I think it adds to his confidence level that he keeps up rather than detracting from it. I remember being in 6th grade and thinking that the few kids who were a whole year older than us were the “dumb” or “slow” ones because they should have been in a higher grade.

Do what you want but, on the whole, I don’t think you are doing your kid any favors by holding them back.

There are several "held back" kids in my kids' grades. In no way are they outcasts, looked down on, or considered dumb or slow. They have as many friends as the rest and the kids may know their age but it's more like "How come he gets to be the first one to be 8" so all the doom and gloom doesn't exist at all from what I can see.

The freshman with a mustache and a drivers license will be looked down on

Uh, no because he can drive his friends around and try to buy beer for everyone.

And some of the 14 year old girls think he’s hot just because he’s driving.

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Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. It has become increasingly common. 10 years ago, if my MS had an 8th grader who was 15, they were usually a kid new to the US. Now, it’s a lot of redshirted middle class White boys. I even had a 14 year old seventh grade girl a few years ago.

I haven’t found them more prone to inappropriate behavior than the 14 year old 8th graders. A lot them were redshirted because of immaturity and they are still behind their chronological age peers.

High school does concern me a bit more. 20 year old non-SN outliers aside, there are quite a few students who spend an entire year in HS after they turn 18. They are no longer under a parent’s authority which limits what schools can do with them. All in all, though, an 18-20 who is attending high school probably has concerns that could be better met in a dedicated program for non-traditional age students. For example, fully asynchronous courses or expanded in-person hours so they have the flexibility to work FT or to care for their own children if needed.

You know kids who have a September birthday in a district with a 9/1 cutoff spend almost the entire year at 18. This isn’t a brand new or uncommon situation. The kids are alright even at the correct age. If this was a problem schools would probably consider changing the dates but they don’t, they inky get earlier so the kids are even older.

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Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. It has become increasingly common. 10 years ago, if my MS had an 8th grader who was 15, they were usually a kid new to the US. Now, it’s a lot of redshirted middle class White boys. I even had a 14 year old seventh grade girl a few years ago.

I haven’t found them more prone to inappropriate behavior than the 14 year old 8th graders. A lot them were redshirted because of immaturity and they are still behind their chronological age peers.

High school does concern me a bit more. 20 year old non-SN outliers aside, there are quite a few students who spend an entire year in HS after they turn 18. They are no longer under a parent’s authority which limits what schools can do with them. All in all, though, an 18-20 who is attending high school probably has concerns that could be better met in a dedicated program for non-traditional age students. For example, fully asynchronous courses or expanded in-person hours so they have the flexibility to work FT or to care for their own children if needed.

In DC area publics, there are only a handful of kids who are 18 at the start of their senior HS year. The vast majority of those are summer birthdays, which mean that they are only a month or two older than the kids with Sept/Oct birthdays.

Most seniors will graduate at 18. It’s not a big deal at all to be 18 during senior year. It’s typical.

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Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. It has become increasingly common. 10 years ago, if my MS had an 8th grader who was 15, they were usually a kid new to the US. Now, it’s a lot of redshirted middle class White boys. I even had a 14 year old seventh grade girl a few years ago.

I haven’t found them more prone to inappropriate behavior than the 14 year old 8th graders. A lot them were redshirted because of immaturity and they are still behind their chronological age peers.

High school does concern me a bit more. 20 year old non-SN outliers aside, there are quite a few students who spend an entire year in HS after they turn 18. They are no longer under a parent’s authority which limits what schools can do with them. All in all, though, an 18-20 who is attending high school probably has concerns that could be better met in a dedicated program for non-traditional age students. For example, fully asynchronous courses or expanded in-person hours so they have the flexibility to work FT or to care for their own children if needed.

You know kids who have a September birthday in a district with a 9/1 cutoff spend almost the entire year at 18. This isn’t a brand new or uncommon situation. The kids are alright even at the correct age. If this was a problem schools would probably consider changing the dates but they don’t, they inky get earlier so the kids are even older.

Exactly.

I hope PP isn’t a MS math teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. It has become increasingly common. 10 years ago, if my MS had an 8th grader who was 15, they were usually a kid new to the US. Now, it’s a lot of redshirted middle class White boys. I even had a 14 year old seventh grade girl a few years ago.

I haven’t found them more prone to inappropriate behavior than the 14 year old 8th graders. A lot them were redshirted because of immaturity and they are still behind their chronological age peers.

High school does concern me a bit more. 20 year old non-SN outliers aside, there are quite a few students who spend an entire year in HS after they turn 18. They are no longer under a parent’s authority which limits what schools can do with them. All in all, though, an 18-20 who is attending high school probably has concerns that could be better met in a dedicated program for non-traditional age students. For example, fully asynchronous courses or expanded in-person hours so they have the flexibility to work FT or to care for their own children if needed.

You know kids who have a September birthday in a district with a 9/1 cutoff spend almost the entire year at 18. This isn’t a brand new or uncommon situation. The kids are alright even at the correct age. If this was a problem schools would probably consider changing the dates but they don’t, they inky get earlier so the kids are even older.

+1 and cutoffs are earlier in other parts of the country. It’s 7/31 where I grew up in the Midwest now because they moved the start of the school year earlier to around the 1st full or 2nd week of August. So the kids born in August and September are 6 for all or almost all of K. 18 for almost all of senior year.