80% of women swipe on just 20% of men on dating apps

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

Professional women tend to have sex if they feel like it, and don’t have silly rules about who pays, how many dates until sex etc.

Usually it’s poverty stricken women with above average looks whose greatest achieving in life is having a pu**y that come up with this stuff because they don’t have much else to offer and they’ve been pumped and dumped countless times before. Sounds a lot like those 20 something stupid dating influencers preaching about “knowing your worth” etc.

Man or woman, if you’re a professional making 100-200k a year, you’re not worried about ‘equitable’ distribution of dating costs between genders, or expect a free meal because you bought the dress you liked that showed some cleavage. You’re worried about wasting time with losers, airheads and bimbos when looking for something serious.

As a professional woman making 400k I’m absolutely concerned about men not maintaining a fair game and abusing apps. Anyone trying to use apps for hookups under a disguise of seeking a relationship is abusing it. The only way to stop this abuse is to make all men to pay for initial dates before exclusivity. It’s not about the money it’s about raising the bar to enter the playing field

Are you sure you’re not making 4000k? Or was it 40k? It can be confusing. I get it must be exhausting to be pumped and dumped, but listen, professionals have a different mindset, they are not doing the stupid TikTok stuff.

I mean, if you can’t figure out someone’s intentions and background from the way they talk and behave and need to have a test of men buying you drinks to know that they are “established”, then you’re hopeless.

Sounds like those euphemisms “attractive lady looking for generous gentlemen”. Needless to say, you won’t find a serious relationship selling this.

You are confused again. I’m not pumped and dumped at all. All those who wanted that would be gone by date 4 if not f…d.
And using your logic - professional men won’t care about dinner costs. It’s the red pillers who are worried for being used for free dinners by women to turn them down, gold diggers etc.
I am actually concerned by the male behavior on the apps: lots of them acknowledged on this thread just using women to f…k. And these men are very transactional in nature so they don’t spend a cent on a woman they consider unattractive. Eg when women are easily accessible and put out easily after couple drinks on first date they only encourage these behaviors.

Professional men are not worried about paying for a dinner, but are worried about being used for dinners, and generally wasting time, just as women are worried about being used for sex.

Professional men are absolutely NOT worried about being used for dinner lol. You’re delusional. Or maybe you’re just too young and poor to have met actual professional men. Many are generous and enjoy dining out with company. It does not break the bank to pay for an extra meal or two.

You sound like an incel and you’re making the pps point.

Im that PP and you are exactly right . Professional men and women have too little time to waste on going out with people they are not interested in. Anyone making over 300k is likely just as busy as I am. Household duties, a child, my job, friends, parents. I eat out myself several times a week, because I don’t have time to cook every day, and I go to good quality restaurants. So a man who is concerned about being “used” for free dinner clearly has a totally different lifestyle and set of life problems so we won’t be a match.

Ok, this has got to take the cake. So a middle aged woman with a kid in tow wants to date the top 1% men earners. Assuming they are not already married, in a relationship, not too old, willing to be a step dad, and compete for her attention with the kid, job, friends, parents etc, cause she’s busy. And also jump through her hoops with the five date rules, cause she already dines at Olive Garden a couple of times a week for all you can eat paste, and she’s used to luxury lol. Cmon gurl, you’re delusional.

NP here and my gosh, you’re deeply angry at women. I’m guessing you’re drunk. Read these again tomorrow and perhaps seek some counseling to see what is at the root of this. It’s hard and lonely to be angry and I wish you healing.

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Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Of course no woman is going to 5 consecutive dinners in a row, particular with different men. We just have a really sick psycho on this thread who is fixated on women using him for dinners. For me personally the dates were coffee intro, theater, boat trips, jazz/classic concerts, flamenco shows, biking outing, a gym or fun sport together (tennis, bowling, golfing), board games, dancing, hiking, biking, historical city tours, gardens, museum etc. Dinners are not even on top of my priority as I prefer to do things together to get to know the man first few dates. Of course there is sexual tension so it could be make-out session at his place, lots of kissing and sexting etc.
The dude is not familiar with how to express affection and women are just bedposts for him . He’s probably one of those guys who thinks women post 40 are all “expired” so he just offers them to grab a taxi on their dime to his place to f..k. It’s hard for him to make it his way up into upper league professional dating where execs date other execs so he operates by 6-6-6 standards, and constantly reminds women how “rare” he is. Sad, sad man, truly !

[Anonymous]

DW here. I haven't online dated in 15 years but when I did, I ALWAYS paid for half the expenses, maybe didn't split every bill, but if he got dinner one night, I'd get it (or movie tickets and popcorn/drinks) the next time, etc.

I don't need or want anyone to pay for me, and I also don't have sex with anyone until I get to know them and there's a bond beyond just hormones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DW here. I haven't online dated in 15 years but when I did, I ALWAYS paid for half the expenses, maybe didn't split every bill, but if he got dinner one night, I'd get it (or movie tickets and popcorn/drinks) the next time, etc.

I don't need or want anyone to pay for me, and I also don't have sex with anyone until I get to know them and there's a bond beyond just hormones.

That was 15 years ago. Now it’s different - almost nobody is exclusive when they start sleeping and men sleep around a lot. You would feel a total fool splitting and then he says “sorry I’ll go with my other option”. I’m not paying for men sampling me.

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

I wouldn't do five dinner dates in a row, but I accept drinks as a bare minimum for first dates. I'm not giving up my weekend or morning for a "coffee date," which is what I do with my clients.

First date should be drinks and second should be dinner. A first date walking around with someone you don't know is weird. So 3-5 can be visiting a museum or the zoo.

You take your clients to a “coffee date” in their cars in the Olive Garden parking lot? And you accept drinks as a bare minimum from generous men! Don’t tell me, you’re a “professional”! Bruh, WTF! You can’t make this up!

Huh? Where are you getting that?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DW here. I haven't online dated in 15 years but when I did, I ALWAYS paid for half the expenses, maybe didn't split every bill, but if he got dinner one night, I'd get it (or movie tickets and popcorn/drinks) the next time, etc.

I don't need or want anyone to pay for me, and I also don't have sex with anyone until I get to know them and there's a bond beyond just hormones.

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That was 15 years ago. Now it’s different - almost nobody is exclusive when they start sleeping and men sleep around a lot. You would feel a total fool splitting and then he says “sorry I’ll go with my other option”. I’m not paying for men sampling me. [/quote]

If you’re a woman over 40 with a kid, you’re not exactly prime dating material, and please spare me the line about execs and generous gentlemen (what an instant yuck).

You’re still being sampled, that’s the nature of dating. You’re only begging for free food and entertainment, which is a turn off for many, and likely only keeps the desperate ones in your already shallow dating pool.

It’s fine to not have sex if you don’t feel like it, but have the dignity to pay for your food and activities once in a while or at least offer. Sounds like you’ve been pumped and dumped before and are extra cautious, but you’re only making it worse for yourself. Basically you’re an overweight middle aged woman looking for a sugar daddy. So cringe.

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If you’re a woman over 40 with a kid, you’re not exactly prime dating material, and please spare me the line about execs and generous gentlemen (what an instant yuck).

You’re still being sampled, that’s the nature of dating. You’re only begging for free food and entertainment, which is a turn off for many, and likely only keeps the desperate ones in your already shallow dating pool.

It’s fine to not have sex if you don’t feel like it, but have the dignity to pay for your food and activities once in a while or at least offer. Sounds like you’ve been pumped and dumped before and are extra cautious, but you’re only making it worse for yourself. Basically you’re an overweight middle aged woman looking for a sugar daddy. So cringe.

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This.

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Is this how pre menopausal women imagine dating? Museum, zoo, ice cream, popcorn and movies? What, are you going to bring your kid along for the date too?

Worrying so much about the cost of a date gives off poverty vibes. This is such a cringe choosy beggar. Fellas, the dating scene is pretty rough out there. Dating as a single mom with a teen is not going to be easy, maybe lower the standards a bit.

This is why I never date women over 30 or single moms. Nothing wrong with using them for booty calls but they are completely delusional and detached from reality.

You are making these women a huge favor by not dating them. Would love to see your own stats but of course you would lie.
If there is anyone delusional here it’s you. I never went on a single date where a man wouldn’t be at the same level of attractiveness and as well-off as myself at least. Women don’t date down. In my state women hold statistical advantage on dating market.

Attractive after 40 is an oxymoron, but it’s ok, people look for other things at that age. If you were that well off you wouldn’t be begging for free stuff from your dates. What does it mean women hold the statistical advantage on dating market?

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If you’re a woman over 40 with a kid, you’re not exactly prime dating material, and please spare me the line about execs and generous gentlemen (what an instant yuck).

You’re still being sampled, that’s the nature of dating. You’re only begging for free food and entertainment, which is a turn off for many, and likely only keeps the desperate ones in your already shallow dating pool.

It’s fine to not have sex if you don’t feel like it, but have the dignity to pay for your food and activities once in a while or at least offer. Sounds like you’ve been pumped and dumped before and are extra cautious, but you’re only making it worse for yourself. Basically you’re an overweight middle aged woman looking for a sugar daddy. So cringe.

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As I said before women take care of looks and spend more on that because that’s what men look at first . Men should cover the dates before they offer exclusivity. This is totally equitable and prevents apps abuse in my experience weeding out those who only look for quick hookups. If some man doesn’t consider my looks appealing enough to date me, he doesn’t have to. Period.

I’m 20 BMI with great a..s and big boobs, several million NW. And I have no issues entering relationships, while of course I’ve met many players. I always contributed in my long term exclusive relationships towards joint expenses.

You must be really poor or only date unattractive women, who decline sex with you, if you care so much for women going Dutch on their $18 appetizer and Green Olive is your favorite.

To give you a sample of men I dated (went on more than 5 dates over a few years): owner of a network of fertility clinics, managing partners in law and finance, a well known journalist, a university professor in physics with own page in Wikipedia for proving a theorem, high level government official/distinguished general, etc.

I never had ONSs. I have a BF now - a partner in a consulting firm, only 4 years older than myself. Each of us has one child. He’s 5’10 I’m 5’8.

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Is this how pre menopausal women imagine dating? Museum, zoo, ice cream, popcorn and movies? What, are you going to bring your kid along for the date too?

Worrying so much about the cost of a date gives off poverty vibes. This is such a cringe choosy beggar. Fellas, the dating scene is pretty rough out there. Dating as a single mom with a teen is not going to be easy, maybe lower the standards a bit.

This is why I never date women over 30 or single moms. Nothing wrong with using them for booty calls but they are completely delusional and detached from reality.

You are making these women a huge favor by not dating them. Would love to see your own stats but of course you would lie.
If there is anyone delusional here it’s you. I never went on a single date where a man wouldn’t be at the same level of attractiveness and as well-off as myself at least. Women don’t date down. In my state women hold statistical advantage on dating market.

Attractive after 40 is an oxymoron, but it’s ok, people look for other things at that age. If you were that well off you wouldn’t be begging for free stuff from your dates. What does it mean women hold the statistical advantage on dating market?

Again, why do you use “begging”? I don’t insist on anyone dating me. Men would ask me out- it’s simple. Everyone declines when I offer to split. And some men are offended. It means “friend zone” to them.

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Is this how pre menopausal women imagine dating? Museum, zoo, ice cream, popcorn and movies? What, are you going to bring your kid along for the date too?

Worrying so much about the cost of a date gives off poverty vibes. This is such a cringe choosy beggar. Fellas, the dating scene is pretty rough out there. Dating as a single mom with a teen is not going to be easy, maybe lower the standards a bit.

This is why I never date women over 30 or single moms. Nothing wrong with using them for booty calls but they are completely delusional and detached from reality.

You are making these women a huge favor by not dating them. Would love to see your own stats but of course you would lie.
If there is anyone delusional here it’s you. I never went on a single date where a man wouldn’t be at the same level of attractiveness and as well-off as myself at least. Women don’t date down. In my state women hold statistical advantage on dating market.

Attractive after 40 is an oxymoron, but it’s ok, people look for other things at that age. If you were that well off you wouldn’t be begging for free stuff from your dates. What does it mean women hold the statistical advantage on dating market?

There are plenty of stunning women over 40 on the apps, what are you taking about ? Maybe you don’t fit their stats so you don’t even see the profiles. Anyway, I’m done and not here to argue with you.

My recommendation to women is never sleep too soon and sleep with only men who show a real effort

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As I said before women take care of looks and spend more on that because that’s what men look at first . Men should cover the dates before they offer exclusivity. This is totally equitable and prevents apps abuse in my experience weeding out those who only look for quick hookups. If some man doesn’t consider my looks appealing enough to date me, he doesn’t have to. Period.

I’m 20 BMI with great a..s and big boobs, several million NW. And I have no issues entering relationships, while of course I’ve met many players. I always contributed in my long term exclusive relationships towards joint expenses.

You must be really poor or only date unattractive women, who decline sex with you, if you care so much for women going Dutch on their $18 appetizer and Green Olive is your favorite.

To give you a sample of men I dated (went on more than 5 dates over a few years): owner of a network of fertility clinics, managing partners in law and finance, a well known journalist, a university professor in physics with own page in Wikipedia for proving a theorem, high level government official/distinguished general, etc.

I never had ONSs. I have a BF now - a partner in a consulting firm, only 4 years older than myself. Each of us has one child. He’s 5’10 I’m 5’8.


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Wow, everyone is so accomplished on DCUM. I’m really amazed by these individuals. Great e-stats.

Still, over a “few years” (2-3?) you dated at least 8 individuals for more than five dates, and they didn’t exactly stick around. That’s in addition to “meeting many players”.

Gurl, you’ve been passed around a lot! I get the idea about making them pay to vet them out, but it’s only making things worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Is this how pre menopausal women imagine dating? Museum, zoo, ice cream, popcorn and movies? What, are you going to bring your kid along for the date too?

Worrying so much about the cost of a date gives off poverty vibes. This is such a cringe choosy beggar. Fellas, the dating scene is pretty rough out there. Dating as a single mom with a teen is not going to be easy, maybe lower the standards a bit.

This is why I never date women over 30 or single moms. Nothing wrong with using them for booty calls but they are completely delusional and detached from reality.

You are making these women a huge favor by not dating them. Would love to see your own stats but of course you would lie.
If there is anyone delusional here it’s you. I never went on a single date where a man wouldn’t be at the same level of attractiveness and as well-off as myself at least. Women don’t date down. In my state women hold statistical advantage on dating market.

Attractive after 40 is an oxymoron, but it’s ok, people look for other things at that age. If you were that well off you wouldn’t be begging for free stuff from your dates. What does it mean women hold the statistical advantage on dating market?

Again, why do you use “begging”? I don’t insist on anyone dating me. Men would ask me out- it’s simple. Everyone declines when I offer to split. And some men are offended. It means “friend zone” to them.

That's right. I would offer to pay; if a man accepted, they'd be in the friends zone. I would insist on paying if I felt no connection and let him pay if I liked him. I think this is the norm, right?

[Anonymous]

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As I said before women take care of looks and spend more on that because that’s what men look at first . Men should cover the dates before they offer exclusivity. This is totally equitable and prevents apps abuse in my experience weeding out those who only look for quick hookups. If some man doesn’t consider my looks appealing enough to date me, he doesn’t have to. Period.

I’m 20 BMI with great a..s and big boobs, several million NW. And I have no issues entering relationships, while of course I’ve met many players. I always contributed in my long term exclusive relationships towards joint expenses.

You must be really poor or only date unattractive women, who decline sex with you, if you care so much for women going Dutch on their $18 appetizer and Green Olive is your favorite.

To give you a sample of men I dated (went on more than 5 dates over a few years): owner of a network of fertility clinics, managing partners in law and finance, a well known journalist, a university professor in physics with own page in Wikipedia for proving a theorem, high level government official/distinguished general, etc.

I never had ONSs. I have a BF now - a partner in a consulting firm, only 4 years older than myself. Each of us has one child. He’s 5’10 I’m 5’8.


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Wow, everyone is so accomplished on DCUM. I’m really amazed by these individuals. Great e-stats.

Still, over a “few years” (2-3?) you dated at least 8 individuals for more than five dates, and they didn’t exactly stick around. That’s in addition to “meeting many players”.

Gurl, you’ve been passed around a lot! I get the idea about making them pay to vet them out, but it’s only making things worse.[/quote]

You are a sick person, period. Really insecure about women sleeping with other men . Nobody is obligated to settle for the first person they meet. I enjoyed my time with all men I dated. Enjoyed meeting different men and sex with them. It didn’t make me feel used, as we were both happy. Regardless of why it didn’t work out, they were all decent, good people looking for a real connection. They were not casual encounters or anyone taking advantage of other person.
Generosity is not income related: it’s a trait. I’m generous - help family, friends, charities. I don’t sweat over splitting when I’m out with friends. If a man is tense over that is not the trait I’m looking for.
He also wont be a good equitable partner because in the end of the day, it’s way more expensive to be a woman. Men don’t spend as much on looks and make more money than women. Women paying for dates would be economically unfair.
Of course if a man wanted to split with me, I always did not I never saw them again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.

Are people going to 5 consecutive dinner dates with the same person?

There are so many interesting things to do on dates besides dinner. The first date is usually a coffee date. The next might be dinner. The next three might be a walk by a lake, visiting a museum, the zoo, a movie, hiking etc. Some of these other dates might include eating ice cream or yogurt, popcorn at the movies, eating a sandwich or a salad, etc.

I don’t know any woman who pays for dates. But I also don't know any women who are interested in dinner dates five times in a row.

And kisses and making out usually happen even when sex is not yet on the table, so one can still feel interest and excitement without sex.

Is this how pre menopausal women imagine dating? Museum, zoo, ice cream, popcorn and movies? What, are you going to bring your kid along for the date too?

Worrying so much about the cost of a date gives off poverty vibes. This is such a cringe choosy beggar. Fellas, the dating scene is pretty rough out there. Dating as a single mom with a teen is not going to be easy, maybe lower the standards a bit.

This is why I never date women over 30 or single moms. Nothing wrong with using them for booty calls but they are completely delusional and detached from reality.

You are making these women a huge favor by not dating them. Would love to see your own stats but of course you would lie.
If there is anyone delusional here it’s you. I never went on a single date where a man wouldn’t be at the same level of attractiveness and as well-off as myself at least. Women don’t date down. In my state women hold statistical advantage on dating market.

Attractive after 40 is an oxymoron, but it’s ok, people look for other things at that age. If you were that well off you wouldn’t be begging for free stuff from your dates. What does it mean women hold the statistical advantage on dating market?

Again, why do you use “begging”? I don’t insist on anyone dating me. Men would ask me out- it’s simple. Everyone declines when I offer to split. And some men are offended. It means “friend zone” to them.

That's right. I would offer to pay; if a man accepted, they'd be in the friends zone. I would insist on paying if I felt no connection and let him pay if I liked him. I think this is the norm, right?

Yea, most men know that if a woman insists on paying she’s not looking forward to anything romantic