80% of women swipe on just 20% of men on dating apps

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

How’s that working for you?

the most meaningful relationships started that way for me

So there were many relationships, some of them most meaningful, when the man paid for your dates until exclusivity. Sounds made up.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

How’s that working for you?

the most meaningful relationships started that way for me

So there were many relationships, some of them most meaningful, when the man paid for your dates until exclusivity. Sounds made up.

I tried different dating approaches and realized it works against me and let’s “low value” men cross into my dating pool if I was splitting. Insecure men, two-timers, financially unstable etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

[Anonymous]

Hey, men should look on the brightside. 80% of men get to find out right away that they are not very attractive. It's better than the alternative, where 80% of women need to get used and ghosted first.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women aren't going to achieve equality until they kept demanding men to pay for the dates and the courtship.

Women investing more in looks and men in dates IS equatable distribution of dating costs between two genders

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

I’m none of the above and described my actual dating experience over the course of couple years. It’s not a problem to pay for drinks for most men who are well established and are looking for serious relationship not a hookup

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Anonymous wrote:Before pregnancy, married or dating, both are equally responsible for their own expenses.

Nope - men abuse platforms using women for free hookups and ONSs under a premise of relationship.
I don’t share expenses until exclusivity is discussed and agreed upon. Dates don’t need to be crazily expensive.
Women are still making less money and are spending higher proportion of their income on the looks. It’s more expensive to be a woman in dating and she takes more risks - infections, apps abuse, sexual harassment, lying etc.

Then women should go back to arranged marriages and guard their virginity for their preferable time.

That's still how it is done in much of the world, and divorce rates are lower also.

But traditionally, a woman's family also must provide a dowery to the prospective male suitor. Similar to how an engagement ring is a financial down payment for a man, a woman should have a dowery/TRUST to entice suitors to remain married and not cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

Professional women tend to have sex if they feel like it, and don’t have silly rules about who pays, how many dates until sex etc.

Usually it’s poverty stricken women with above average looks whose greatest achieving in life is having a pu**y that come up with this stuff because they don’t have much else to offer and they’ve been pumped and dumped countless times before. Sounds a lot like those 20 something stupid dating influencers preaching about “knowing your worth” etc.

Man or woman, if you’re a professional making 100-200k a year, you’re not worried about ‘equitable’ distribution of dating costs between genders, or expect a free meal because you bought the dress you liked that showed some cleavage. You’re worried about wasting time with losers, airheads and bimbos when looking for something serious.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

I’m none of the above and described my actual dating experience over the course of couple years. It’s not a problem to pay for drinks for most men who are well established and are looking for serious relationship not a hookup

If your dating experience is begging for drinks from “well established men”, it must have been really sad. Grow some dignity!

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

Professional women tend to have sex if they feel like it, and don’t have silly rules about who pays, how many dates until sex etc.

Usually it’s poverty stricken women with above average looks whose greatest achieving in life is having a pu**y that come up with this stuff because they don’t have much else to offer and they’ve been pumped and dumped countless times before. Sounds a lot like those 20 something stupid dating influencers preaching about “knowing your worth” etc.

Man or woman, if you’re a professional making 100-200k a year, you’re not worried about ‘equitable’ distribution of dating costs between genders, or expect a free meal because you bought the dress you liked that showed some cleavage. You’re worried about wasting time with losers, airheads and bimbos when looking for something serious.

As a professional woman making 400k I’m absolutely concerned about men not maintaining a fair game and abusing apps. Anyone trying to use apps for hookups under a disguise of seeking a relationship is abusing it. The only way to stop this abuse is to make all men to pay for initial dates before exclusivity. It’s not about the money it’s about raising the bar to enter the playing field

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

I’m none of the above and described my actual dating experience over the course of couple years. It’s not a problem to pay for drinks for most men who are well established and are looking for serious relationship not a hookup

If your dating experience is begging for drinks from “well established men”, it must have been really sad. Grow some dignity!

I never beg, what are you taking about ? Men initiate women they like out . Maybe it’s a new concept to you but this is how traditional dating looks like. And yeas, I do have a “dowry”.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

Professional women tend to have sex if they feel like it, and don’t have silly rules about who pays, how many dates until sex etc.

Usually it’s poverty stricken women with above average looks whose greatest achieving in life is having a pu**y that come up with this stuff because they don’t have much else to offer and they’ve been pumped and dumped countless times before. Sounds a lot like those 20 something stupid dating influencers preaching about “knowing your worth” etc.

Man or woman, if you’re a professional making 100-200k a year, you’re not worried about ‘equitable’ distribution of dating costs between genders, or expect a free meal because you bought the dress you liked that showed some cleavage. You’re worried about wasting time with losers, airheads and bimbos when looking for something serious.

As a professional woman making 400k I’m absolutely concerned about men not maintaining a fair game and abusing apps. Anyone trying to use apps for hookups under a disguise of seeking a relationship is abusing it. The only way to stop this abuse is to make all men to pay for initial dates before exclusivity. It’s not about the money it’s about raising the bar to enter the playing field

Are you sure you’re not making 4000k? Or was it 40k? It can be confusing. I get it must be exhausting to be pumped and dumped, but listen, professionals have a different mindset, they are not doing the stupid TikTok stuff.

I mean, if you can’t figure out someone’s intentions and background from the way they talk and behave and need to have a test of men buying you drinks to know that they are “established”, then you’re hopeless.

Sounds like those euphemisms “attractive lady looking for generous gentlemen”. Needless to say, you won’t find a serious relationship selling this.

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Anonymous wrote:Both parties should go dutch with any and all expenses so they are on equal footing to evaluate if they want to go steady and explore intimacy and other aspects of the relationship.

Nope, women spend more on looks. He can go date other women but my man pays for the dates before exclusivity.

Nobody else is responsible for women wanting to spend on looks so they can score higher. That's an investment they decide to make.

Sure, but the woman who invests in looks also doesn’t owe men dates or sex. I totally get that some men want to split and then can date other women . I’m in no shortage of interesting men asking me out and planning dates. Always could find someone if I became single

So you’re not single and not dating, but opining on what you would do if you were single and dating. At that point you’d have really high standards and make the man prove his worth to you. Meanwhile you’re a middle aged slightly overweight woman frustrated with her husband and kids. Sigh!

NP. I have dated recently and I didn't pay for dates. This wasn't a problem for me. If it has been a problem for the men I dated before I became exclusive with the one I am seeing now, no one ever expressed it. I am a professional and date(d) the same.

Professional women tend to have sex if they feel like it, and don’t have silly rules about who pays, how many dates until sex etc.

Usually it’s poverty stricken women with above average looks whose greatest achieving in life is having a pu**y that come up with this stuff because they don’t have much else to offer and they’ve been pumped and dumped countless times before. Sounds a lot like those 20 something stupid dating influencers preaching about “knowing your worth” etc.

Man or woman, if you’re a professional making 100-200k a year, you’re not worried about ‘equitable’ distribution of dating costs between genders, or expect a free meal because you bought the dress you liked that showed some cleavage. You’re worried about wasting time with losers, airheads and bimbos when looking for something serious.

As a professional woman making 400k I’m absolutely concerned about men not maintaining a fair game and abusing apps. Anyone trying to use apps for hookups under a disguise of seeking a relationship is abusing it. The only way to stop this abuse is to make all men to pay for initial dates before exclusivity. It’s not about the money it’s about raising the bar to enter the playing field

Are you sure you’re not making 4000k? Or was it 40k? It can be confusing. I get it must be exhausting to be pumped and dumped, but listen, professionals have a different mindset, they are not doing the stupid TikTok stuff.

I mean, if you can’t figure out someone’s intentions and background from the way they talk and behave and need to have a test of men buying you drinks to know that they are “established”, then you’re hopeless.

Sounds like those euphemisms “attractive lady looking for generous gentlemen”. Needless to say, you won’t find a serious relationship selling this.

You are confused again. I’m not pumped and dumped at all. All those who wanted that would be gone by date 4 if not f…d.
And using your logic - professional men won’t care about dinner costs. It’s the red pillers who are worried for being used for free dinners by women to turn them down, gold diggers etc.
I am actually concerned by the male behavior on the apps: lots of them acknowledged on this thread just using women to f…k. And these men are very transactional in nature so they don’t spend a cent on a woman they consider unattractive. Eg when women are easily accessible and put out easily after couple drinks on first date they only encourage these behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think five dates is realistic. I'm a man and I waited for five dates plenty of times. I usually at least kissed a woman before then, but not always. Sooner can be good too. Some of my most serious relationships in my life moved fast with sex on second dates.

Some women move really slowly and some of those women send mixed signals. It can be very frustrating but sometimes it's worth the wait. I think sending clear signals of interest is important, even if you're not ready for sex. A couple of women moved too slowly for me by making me think they just wanted friendship when they really wanted a slow burn romance. They told me later, after it was too late.

And yet you are still unmarried floating from relationship to relationship. The fact that “slow” women didn’t cut it for just shows you are not interested in something long term. Only mid term. Long term takes patience and time to build a relationship .
Plenty of spouses meet each other at work and don’t sleep after 5 timed seeing each other.
This quick sex or I’m out mentality is really damaging for developing emotional connections and relationships

DP, “slow” can mean the chemistry is not there, and there’s no reason to waste more time if that’s what you’re looking for.

It’s ok to set up whatever threshold for yourself, but realize some see it differently.

Unmatched sex drive is a recipe for failure, you’ve got to make sure you’re on the same page early on.

No it doesn’t equate low L or no attraction at all. She might not like how you not plan dates in advance, talk about your exes, relationships, have instant gratification attitude, might have periods, upcoming travels etc. You treat women disposable and thus your relationships all have a timer

You’re such a basket of red flags which would be an automatic skip for many. You sound like you see your self as the prize, the one to be impressed and won over. Does the man need to plan all the dates in advance and submit them to your judgement? Ok for the man to take the lead, but why can’t think of something to do on at least one of those dates, unless you’re completely boring and have no interests or hobbies.

You’re going to be evaluated as a partner too, and for men, sex is a criterion for sure, besides how you talk about your ex, relationships etc. The prize is not you, it’s building a great relationship together, and sex is an important part of it. If it’s missing, no point investing more time in it.

You’re bound to be alone, because the men that have options won’t put up with your attitude, and the ones that supplicate are a turn off. A good rule of thumb is to find a partner that matches the effort you put in.

I always match their energy. If he’s nice texting by Thursday night asking what I would like to do, of course I’ll plan with him and take on some costs. If he’s just expecting to have sex on date 3 by dropping on my head Saturday morning I’ll say I’m unavailable. Sex is very intimate, women are receiving partners in it risking more physically and emotionally. We were all burned before.

Maybe men want sex because that’s the only thing you have to offer. If you’re fun and interesting to be around, that’s a reward in itself. If you’re sitting pretty, waiting to be entertained, they’ll at least want to get some free sex out of it before they move on. Btw, it’s ok for you to say no to that.

I think you’re getting confused. Pp specifically says she doesn’t have sex with them right away, so clearly she is fun and interesting to be around because they stick around for more than 5 dates.

Not all men treat women like a blow up doll.

LOL, it’s not that clear to me. They might stick around because they have no other dates.

It’s ok to not have sex for the first 5 dates, but it’s on the long side, and some men will interpret it as lack of chemistry and move on, while she’ll be left with the undesirable ones without options.

In my experience as a woman having sex too early doesn’t improve chances of it becoming a LTR. Often men insist on date 2-3 because they want a mid term side piece during the weekdays, have things to hide like drugs usage, or married. It’s not enough time to screen a man

No man ever didn’t get into a LTR because the woman slept with him too early. She wasn’t LTR material for him to begin with.

It’s true that some men just want sex, or one night stands, and if it’s not what you want you need to screen them. I don’t think the no sex on the first five dates is effective.

You cannot speak for all men. YOU wouldn’t continue to date someone who won’t f*** you after 4 dates, YOU wouldn’t dump them and move on. You cannot speak for everyone else.

It’s after 5 dates, and I don’t know why you’re so triggered. People are dating to find a partnership that includes having sex so they’ll try to figure out if they are compatible in this area.

At that point I’d definitely wonder what kind of relationship she wants, ie platonic friendship, or if she’s not into me or sex to begin with, maybe dating a bunch of other guys and still deciding on which, or just wanting free entertainment, dinners, drinks and an ego boost. All signaling it’s not a good fit and look elsewhere.

It’s ok to wait 5 dates, but at least make an effort, pay for your meal, put time and planning into dates, have some chemistry in the interaction, kissing etc.

Confused about what’s inappropriate about it.

You’re not very bright. She sleeps with them after 5 dates, so she wouldn’t sleep with you after 4. Good lord try reading some time.

You sound like you want to collect women as notches on your bedpost, and that isn’t what pp is looking for. Clearly you wouldn’t be a good match, but you can’t say her method doesn’t work when it weeds out people like you. Seems like it’s working perfectly.