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Anonymous
Until the end you b@st@rd mut. I don't live through my child's wins. I will leave when my child stops developing...which isnt the case |
Anonymous
| I can't take it any more. It's *mutt*, not *mut*. |
Anonymous
Spirit parents hate FCV because their DDs aren’t the chosen ones at FCV and didn’t make the team. FCV didn’t want their DDs so they feel the need to bash. If your DD has two legs and can walk, Spirit DA will take you! My DD will stay away from both though and continue to ECNL. |
Anonymous
Don't you think that if there is real development then at some point the record will show it? The reason I ask is because I am interested to see if the club can train up a group like the 04s which on average were less skilled going into year 1. With the current dynamic, this age group will not attract the top players from neighboring top teams like fcv does. If that dynamic holds, and if the club can train these girls up and show improvement as measured by record, then something will have been proven. And to answer your question, if my player begins to start less that means there are better players at that position, nothing more. Every player at this level has to own their own development, and if that is not happening changes will be made, winning or not. |
Anonymous
Arlington DA may be better next year (at least in terms of record) than both WS and FCV at the younger age groups |
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Anonymous
And those throw away players get 10 times more playing time then those chosen FCV player rotten on the end of the bench. Sometimes getting cut is a blessing is disguise...as for you..you live vicariously through your child and probably couldn't even run a mile in your bright red target workout gear that your wife bought you. |
Anonymous
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I believe almost all WS player who went to Loudoun ECNL tryouts as a backup was given an offer. So I would slow your roll Loudoun dad.
Let me tell you something you may not know... 2 WS 04s were permenatly rostered on the U15 team. A goal keeper and a center mid. Two very important positions. On top of that, 3-4 WS 04's rotated and guest played on the U15 team almost every game to include showcases. So at any given game, 4-5 04s were not playing for their 04 team. Could you imagine another team doing that and what that would mean to their scoreline? Next year, several 05s will play with the 04's. And several 06's will play with the 05's. I can almost promise it. WS staff have a different mentality. That's why they don't freak out on the kids after losing. I assume they will continue along their same path without caring about what Loudoun dad thinks. |
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Anonymous
It's an interesting question. The full answer is that there are a number of issues at play when discussing development. I'm only going to discuss 03s and 04s here, since that seems to be the point of contention, based on record. 1. Yes, some players can be coached up, and certainly a fair number of WS players fell into that category, as between 04s and 03s combined, there were maybe 5 players total that came from the ECNL. For the rest, they had never been exposed to the pace of play needed to be successful in the DA. That's not even talking about issues of cleanness of technique, aerial control, etc. So certainly yes, most of the players required varying degrees of coaching and development. 2. Some players though may be so far behind that the overall level is beyond anything they can catch up with. For them, staying may become a confidence breaker, as they are never able to successfully hold on to the ball, connect a meaningful pass, or win possession. It happens. For those players, they may need to drop down a level. There is a sweet spot in being challenged. You don't want it to be so easy that a player isn't stretched a little, and you don't want it to be so excessively difficult that they can't keep up. That's also why playing up some is great, but excessive playing up leads to players not knowing what it's like to have time on the ball and any ability to dominate ever. 3. WS took a chance on some players - as all truly developmental clubs should. This is where the rubber meets the road on talent identification vs talent selection. A lot of clubs claim to identify talent, but they are simply selecting it. Talent selection is simple; talent identification though, that takes real skill. FCV is the classic talent selector, and we hear them here on the board all the time, boasting about their results as proof. Talent identification though requires a coach to look at the potential of a player - see the higher level technique, tactical abilities, and recognize that even if a player isn't right now having an immediate impact, the ability (when properly developed) is in fact higher than the easier to select "practiced" player who has just been well programmed enough in the earlier years. It takes investment on the part of the club to be willing to give up some instant gratification for the long term of a better player down the road. American soccer is often guilty of selecting talent by looking at current athleticism, speed, size, having a roster of older players, and giving them a lot of minutes to win a game by sheer force. The ECNL was filled with teams like that, and I saw teams win games they shouldn't have based on those very things, even though the team they beat actually had the more skilled, technical players. WS gave an opportunity to players that may have been overlooked for the wrong reasons. And let's not forget politics plays into all of this. I have seen players make teams - even ECNL teams - because their dad is a coach in either the main club or a feeder club, not because they deserve it. 4. EDP is a great concept, because it gives an opportunity to 04s and 03s that may have developed this year, but still need more time in the program. They may then later be ready to move back into that fast paced environment. CA has formed an entire DP league. I think the concept of a tiered system is more valuable for players. But maybe for now, that's just not on the menu. |
Anonymous
Absolutely. That cost both the 04s and 03s game after game in terms of scorelines. However, in terms of development, it was an investment on WS's part. |
Anonymous
| If the U17 roster hadn't ended up so large (perhaps to cover the high number of seniors on the U19s), WS would have also played 03s up more for the same reasons. They believe in stretching and challenging the more talented players as it's better for development. WS is making decisions that can't be measured on a win/loss record. |
Anonymous
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And to add one more thing
When you look at any DA or ECNL roster you will notice that most of the really competitive teams are made up of primarily older girls who benifited from the age change. For example...look at any 03 ECNL or DA team and count how girls are 8th graders vs 9th graders. Also, don't forget that a lot of kids were forced to skip and entire year of training due to the age change as well. That alone sent shockwaves |
Anonymous
Have a look at the bryc u15 roster from this current year at the ecnl site if you want to see a club with players playing up. That team is about half 04s playing up. And they are killing it. Doesnt really fit your mold. |
Anonymous
For as long as my daughter continues to show the development that’s occurred over the last year and is happy. FWIW (I’m an 04 WS parent) a lot of the sideline conversation from parents on teams like PDA and Fusion went something like this: “Gosh, this WS team is way better than their record would indicate.” There were a few extremely weak players, and those holes were exploited, but I think we will all see growth over time. This is my youngest child, and having been around the block a bit with travel soccer in this area with the older kids, the WS environment is by far the best I’ve seen. And we drive past several other high-level team options that my daughter turned down to get to the Reston practice fields. |