Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Ask in the soccer or sports forum and see if people think it is false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

Hmm, I wonder if you see some white kids behave this way or if you’re just a racist?

For the kids sure, but the white parents generally care about the sports since it's what they grew up with, while the Indians are not as enthusiastic and it's just something others kids are doing so they will sign them up too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

It's just a bunch of kids chasing a bag of air. Relax. 99% of them won't end up playing pro anyways..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

Hmm, I wonder if you see some white kids behave this way or if you’re just a racist?

For the kids sure, but the white parents generally care about the sports since it's what they grew up with, while the Indians are not as enthusiastic and it's just something others kids are doing so they will sign them up too.

This is the very definition of racist. PP, you are so racist you don't even know you are racist. Self-reflect, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:mm, I wonder if you see some white kids behave this way or if you’re just a racist?

For the kids sure, but the white parents generally care about the sports since it's what they grew up with, while the Indians are not as enthusiastic and it's just something others kids are doing so they will sign them up too.

This is the very definition of racist. PP, you are so racist you don't even know you are racist. Self-reflect, please.

Feel free to start a thread about this in the sports or soccer forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

This is false. FCPS paid handsomely for the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam. They didn’t rename anything. The makers of the Quant-Q are very protective of their exam materials and do not publish any review materials, though others have popped up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

This is false. FCPS paid handsomely for the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam. They didn’t rename anything. The makers of the Quant-Q are very protective of their exam materials and do not publish any review materials, though others have popped up.

Curie stats (w/ first and last names) posted on their FB page (since removed):

Class of 2022 - 50ish
Class of 2023 - 80ish
Class of 2024 - 133

There are dozens of prep companies and it’s a very competitive market. The question is what did Curie do that got them from around 50 in the class of 2022 to 133 in the class of 2024?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

This is false. FCPS paid handsomely for the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam. They didn’t rename anything. The makers of the Quant-Q are very protective of their exam materials and do not publish any review materials, though others have popped up.

Curie stats (w/ first and last names) posted on their FB page (since removed):

Class of 2022 - 50ish
Class of 2023 - 80ish
Class of 2024 - 133

There are dozens of prep companies and it’s a very competitive market. The question is what did Curie do that got them from around 50 in the class of 2022 to 133 in the class of 2024?

Forgot!

Class of 2025 - Some reports that they have stated in webinars that they had 95 in the class of 2025. Clearly they still know how to do the TJ admissions process in exchange for $$$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

This is false. FCPS paid handsomely for the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam. They didn’t rename anything. The makers of the Quant-Q are very protective of their exam materials and do not publish any review materials, though others have popped up.

Curie stats (w/ first and last names) posted on their FB page (since removed):

Class of 2022 - 50ish
Class of 2023 - 80ish
Class of 2024 - 133

There are dozens of prep companies and it’s a very competitive market. The question is what did Curie do that got them from around 50 in the class of 2022 to 133 in the class of 2024?

Forgot!

Class of 2025 - Some reports that they have stated in webinars that they had 95 in the class of 2025. Clearly they still know how to do the TJ admissions process in exchange for $$$$

They need to keep refining the admission process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?

In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.

THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.

Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.

Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.

But did they actually have a copy of the test itself, or just a copy of a similar test? Because I was able to get practice copies of a similar test (the TJ test was based on a common standardized test that publishes practice books). TJ re-named the test so that it wouldn't be obvious what it was, but it only took a little research to figure it out. So it's nonsense that it was un-preppable.

This is false. FCPS paid handsomely for the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam. They didn’t rename anything. The makers of the Quant-Q are very protective of their exam materials and do not publish any review materials, though others have popped up.

Curie stats (w/ first and last names) posted on their FB page (since removed):

Class of 2022 - 50ish
Class of 2023 - 80ish
Class of 2024 - 133

There are dozens of prep companies and it’s a very competitive market. The question is what did Curie do that got them from around 50 in the class of 2022 to 133 in the class of 2024?

Forgot!

Class of 2025 - Some reports that they have stated in webinars that they had 95 in the class of 2025. Clearly they still know how to do the TJ admissions process in exchange for $$$$

I mean, at a certain point they have saturated the market on Indian families that want to get into TJ. Remember, there were 550 slots in the incoming class instead of 480, so their claim only amounts to 17% of the class as opposed to 28%. Much less of a red flag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, at a certain point they have saturated the market on Indian families that want to get into TJ. Remember, there were 550 slots in the incoming class instead of 480, so their claim only amounts to 17% of the class as opposed to 28%. Much less of a red flag.

Curie is in Loudoun, and the Loudoun quota was reduced. The per school quota would have reduced their numbers even more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, at a certain point they have saturated the market on Indian families that want to get into TJ. Remember, there were 550 slots in the incoming class instead of 480, so their claim only amounts to 17% of the class as opposed to 28%. Much less of a red flag.

Curie is in Loudoun, and the Loudoun quota was reduced. The per school quota would have reduced their numbers even more.

What makes you think people who live in Fairfax don't attend Curie? Given their stellar record getting kids into TJ I would think that's common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, at a certain point they have saturated the market on Indian families that want to get into TJ. Remember, there were 550 slots in the incoming class instead of 480, so their claim only amounts to 17% of the class as opposed to 28%. Much less of a red flag.

Curie is in Loudoun, and the Loudoun quota was reduced. The per school quota would have reduced their numbers even more.

What makes you think people who live in Fairfax don't attend Curie? Given their stellar record getting kids into TJ I would think that's common.

Of course they do, but I would expect being nearby would make Loudoun students more likely, and their number of allotted seats went down. 70% of Loudoun admits to TJ were from Curie one year, according to someone who posted here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, at a certain point they have saturated the market on Indian families that want to get into TJ. Remember, there were 550 slots in the incoming class instead of 480, so their claim only amounts to 17% of the class as opposed to 28%. Much less of a red flag.

Curie is in Loudoun, and the Loudoun quota was reduced. The per school quota would have reduced their numbers even more.

What makes you think people who live in Fairfax don't attend Curie? Given their stellar record getting kids into TJ I would think that's common.

Plenty of the named students on the Curie lists are from Fairfax County. But when you see how many of those students got into AOS and AET, you can see which students are Loudoun-based.