Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

How did he know who prepped and who didn't?

It is surprising how many of these kids wear the prep mantle like a badge of honor. It's one of the problematic aspects of the TJ culture - working yourself to the bone to the exclusion of other activities/sleep/social life is considered a virtue

I've seen enough posts on here about "playing 4 sports and 3 travel teams". Why is that OK? There seems to be an implied assumption that playing sports is "wholesome/apple pie/white bread/whatever" and such kids must be doing it out of choice..

To each their own..

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

Eh, my child went to TJ and never prepped for the application process. His observation was that the kids who prepped to get into TJ were the kids who needed tutoring and extra help just about every day after school and summers. The kids who didn’t prep tended to be the kids who were more involved in after school activities like sports and music and theatre because they were smart enough that they could get their academic work done and still have time for other activities. And those kids all had great SAT/ACT scores and great college results at the end of their four years there.

How did he know who prepped and who didn't?

It is surprising how many of these kids wear the prep mantle like a badge of honor. It's one of the problematic aspects of the TJ culture - working yourself to the bone to the exclusion of other activities/sleep/social life is considered a virtue

I've seen enough posts on here about "playing 4 sports and 3 travel teams". Why is that OK? There seems to be an implied assumption that playing sports is "wholesome/apple pie/white bread/whatever" and such kids must be doing it out of choice..

To each their own..

Oh, that's every bit as problematic as well.

There are a ton of (honestly, mostly white) travel sports parents who are toxic, hyper-competitive jerks who end up ruining the experience not only for their own kids but for other kids who are on the same team.

Parents who force their relatively mediocre kids into additional training and additional leagues and teams in order to make them appear to be something they're not, in pursuit of the next elite team, or a high school varsity spot, or a college scholarship.

It's honestly the EXACT same phenomenon. But just as TJ is adjusting their processes to account for this type of behavior, smart and savvy coaches are doing the same thing.

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If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

That's impressive!

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

That's impressive!

Not impressive, but better.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

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Don’t worry, those FARMS and URM students will take lots of TJ spots from top college admissions in 4 years. that’s called hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry, those FARMS and URM students will take lots of TJ spots from top college admissions in 4 years. that’s called hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

So quit whining and get your kid to develop a hook. But I'll tell you, being a lesser version of other STEM-intensive kids who also come from TJ and other schools in Northern Virginia isn't going to be a great hook.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry, those FARMS and URM students will take lots of TJ spots from top college admissions in 4 years. that’s called hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:If they can't diversify TJ and make it more equitable, they need to shut it down.

25% FARMS and about 18% Black/Hispanic is a good start for class of 2025....

So quit whining and get your kid to develop a hook. But I'll tell you, being a lesser version of other STEM-intensive kids who also come from TJ and other schools in Northern Virginia isn't going to be a great hook.

That's what they call a non-sequitor. I think it's great they're finally adding some diversity to TJ. It should serve all tax payers not just a select group.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

It's a little thing, but it betrays an attitude that does not comport well with "contributing to a collaborative academic environment". You're either committed to the things you commit to or you're there for yourself and what you can get out of it.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

I'd be careful ascribing that attitude to the kids. Far more often it's attributable to the parents.

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And there are plenty of Chinese, Korean, and Indian kids out there too - much to the chagrin of the racists on here who are convinced that their cohorts do nothing but study all day.

Not at all. Just that the parents don't take sports as seriously. They will show up late, not inform coaches if they can't make it. Not travel, but at the rec level, it is just an activity they don't care that much about.

Really now? So much snark and generalization. You must be a really fun person.

Not all behave that way, but I have seen some Indian kids with this attitude on rec level teams and it’s against the rules to bench them.

Hmm, I wonder if you see some white kids behave this way or if you’re just a racist?