Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

I’ve been the defending Kobe against the rapist posters, but this post I completely agree with.

It kinda reminds me of what happened with Aziz Ansari a few years ago when he went on a date with the girl and got too aggressive with her.

It’s not the same thing as rape.

And yes, Kobe learned from it, became a faithful family man, and moved on. Yet, here are people still hating on the guy for this like he never learned his lesson.

This is one of the positive posts about this. It’s a shame the mod will probably delete it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

You don’t know this to be true at all.

It’s been pretty well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

you need to learn more adjectives. being nice to someone in need does not make one humble.

You need to learn a little bit about the word ‘humble’. He didn’t just help people in need, but took time with fans, and used his platform to help lots of people. Now, if you want to discuss the fact that his DNA had an ego attached to it, ok you got me. Any NBA player to get to that league has an ego as it comes with the confidence to be great and expectations to be there.
However, as much as any NBA player, the last 20 years, he used it for some good off the court. On the court, he thought he was the best and he was, as he’d try to crush you.

again, helpful, friendly, generous and humble are different things. i don't understand why you insist that he must be humble - the work nobody ever used to describe him while he was alive.

At least make true statements. I’ve heard many people say that they couldn’t believe how down to earth he was when he was alive.

There is somebody on this thread that does not understand that you can be self confident and humble and also does not understand "leave it on the court".

off the court Kobe Bryant compared himself to Walt Disney in his ability to create imaginary worlds. he was insanely arrogant.

You don't honestly think all that talent comes at no price, do you? Arrogance is a by-product of the talent

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

you need to learn more adjectives. being nice to someone in need does not make one humble.

You need to learn a little bit about the word ‘humble’. He didn’t just help people in need, but took time with fans, and used his platform to help lots of people. Now, if you want to discuss the fact that his DNA had an ego attached to it, ok you got me. Any NBA player to get to that league has an ego as it comes with the confidence to be great and expectations to be there.
However, as much as any NBA player, the last 20 years, he used it for some good off the court. On the court, he thought he was the best and he was, as he’d try to crush you.

again, helpful, friendly, generous and humble are different things. i don't understand why you insist that he must be humble - the work nobody ever used to describe him while he was alive.

At least make true statements. I’ve heard many people say that they couldn’t believe how down to earth he was when he was alive.

There is somebody on this thread that does not understand that you can be self confident and humble and also does not understand "leave it on the court".

off the court Kobe Bryant compared himself to Walt Disney in his ability to create imaginary worlds. he was insanely arrogant.

The world will never know. He already had a Grammy for a short animation and plans for an amusement park. Sounds self confident to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

How do you know this?

Yes. Please explain. This was not his reputation after the scandal. He was known as a devoted family after the assault allegations.

Not the same poster, but it was reported his wife accused him of having over 100 affairs when she initially filed for divorce. She decided not to divorce him. It was reported the news of affairs came from other basketball wives who heard it from their husbands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

I’ve been the defending Kobe against the rapist posters, but this post I completely agree with.

It kinda reminds me of what happened with Aziz Ansari a few years ago when he went on a date with the girl and got too aggressive with her.

It’s not the same thing as rape.

And yes, Kobe learned from it, became a faithful family man, and moved on. Yet, here are people still hating on the guy for this like he never learned his lesson.

This is one of the positive posts about this. It’s a shame the mod will probably delete it.

I think this article offers a thoughtful perspective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/605581/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posting here some thoughts from a licensed pilot:


NTSB officials said the pilot had asked for and received special clearance to fly in heavy fog just minutes before the crash.

Flying in inherently dangerous, rules are in place for safety reasons. Manipulating the rules even if it's legal can get you killed. The pilot's altitude and course were erratic indicating he was flying in and out of instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) and he had no situational awareness and ultimately flew into the ground. Basically what he was doing is called scud running. Scud running can cause vertigo really fast because you are looking outside the aircraft into the soup, the fog, the clouds. You can’t tell up from down or left from right, you have to depend on the instruments. In my view, his first mistake was not filling an instrument flight plan before take-off. His second mistake was not filling IFR in the air after the weather started to deteriorate. His third mistake was to continue on a prayer and a hope the weather was going to get better. His fourth mistake was he was not being truthful with Air Traffic Control (ATC), there is no way he maintained visual flight conditions (VFR). His fifth mistake he squawked 1200 and descended below a good altitude for radar contact. I called the pilot’s actions a mistake because his actions lead to the end result. There are indications the aircraft's speed was 184 MPH and descending at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute when it struck the ground. That would mean the pilot lost all situational awareness and ground impact was imminent. At that speed and rate of descent, death was instant.

A better choice in my view would be to file an IFR flight plan, program it into his flight management system, get his clearance, take off and turn on the autopilot. If his course needed to change ATC would have given him vectors, all the way to his destination. The S-76 max cruising altitude is 20,000 feet. The pilot's last reported altitude was 1200 feet. And It has the state of the art navigational equipment installed. He could have made an instrument approach at his destination and he didn't need 5,000 feet of runway to land, 200-foot minimums or be traveling at 110 knots as I always did.

I attached a picture of me flying in the soup, IFR, with zero visibility. The white you see behind me is thick clouds. Flying on instruments requires training and experience. I can’t imagine Kobe’s pilot not being instrument rated and current. The NTSB will determine if he was. I find the death of all these individuals so, so unnecessary. R.I.P.

All of this. I absolutely predict lawsuits from non-Bryant families. If that were spouse/child on board I’d be mad as hell at the circumstances. This was not a freak accident, it was quite preventable.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

you need to learn more adjectives. being nice to someone in need does not make one humble.

You need to learn a little bit about the word ‘humble’. He didn’t just help people in need, but took time with fans, and used his platform to help lots of people. Now, if you want to discuss the fact that his DNA had an ego attached to it, ok you got me. Any NBA player to get to that league has an ego as it comes with the confidence to be great and expectations to be there.
However, as much as any NBA player, the last 20 years, he used it for some good off the court. On the court, he thought he was the best and he was, as he’d try to crush you.

again, helpful, friendly, generous and humble are different things. i don't understand why you insist that he must be humble - the work nobody ever used to describe him while he was alive.

At least make true statements. I’ve heard many people say that they couldn’t believe how down to earth he was when he was alive.

There is somebody on this thread that does not understand that you can be self confident and humble and also does not understand "leave it on the court".

off the court Kobe Bryant compared himself to Walt Disney in his ability to create imaginary worlds. he was insanely arrogant.

You don't honestly think all that talent comes at no price, do you? Arrogance is a by-product of the talent

oh, i actually do get it. not that it is a by-product, exactly, but that it can be very helpful and even necessary for success. which makes denying kobe's arrogance ("such a humble man") all the more preposterous.

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I don't think the rape allegation defined him at this point in his life. I also bet he matured a whole lot due to having those beautiful, talented daughters, how could he not have ever imagined one of them in a similar situation as the girl who alleged the rape and agonized over that. I like to think it helped him understand what he did from a different perspective.

He did a lot of good with his life and I don't doubt for a second his wife and kids loved him with all their hearts. That's worth a lot more than all the adulation he got from his legions of fans. He seemed to get that from what I've read.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of fans we’re telling personal stories about how he took time out to talk with them, and do nice gestures. When people got injured, like Durant, apparently Kobe was the first to call. He was apparently very humble off the court.

you need to learn more adjectives. being nice to someone in need does not make one humble.

You need to learn a little bit about the word ‘humble’. He didn’t just help people in need, but took time with fans, and used his platform to help lots of people. Now, if you want to discuss the fact that his DNA had an ego attached to it, ok you got me. Any NBA player to get to that league has an ego as it comes with the confidence to be great and expectations to be there.
However, as much as any NBA player, the last 20 years, he used it for some good off the court. On the court, he thought he was the best and he was, as he’d try to crush you.

again, helpful, friendly, generous and humble are different things. i don't understand why you insist that he must be humble - the work nobody ever used to describe him while he was alive.

At least make true statements. I’ve heard many people say that they couldn’t believe how down to earth he was when he was alive.

There is somebody on this thread that does not understand that you can be self confident and humble and also does not understand "leave it on the court".

yeah, that's walt disney right there.

off the court Kobe Bryant compared himself to Walt Disney in his ability to create imaginary worlds. he was insanely arrogant.

The world will never know. He already had a Grammy for a short animation and plans for an amusement park. Sounds self confident to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between someone who knowingly and intentionally rapes someone and someone who is confused about consent and unintentionally rapes someone. It may be a similarly traumatic experience for the survivor but I see the person who committed the rape differently.

In this case, both consented to sex but then Kobe got rough. They didn't have a conversation about the roughness, she didn't say no (understandably as his arm was around her neck) but he wasn't aware she didn't want it. She at some point said no when he asked her a question and he immediately stopped. Before she left, they kissed some more and she asked him for some autographs and later that night bragged to others about the size of his d*ck. The aftermath was confusing for both of them. She experienced something scary she hadn't consented to. He just blithely went about doing what he usually did and thought things were fine as he stopped when she actually said the word no and she asked him for autographs afterwards. She processed it as being sexually assaulted and later he realized when he heard how she felt when he was rough that that part was non consensual.

He learned from it, learned to be very careful about consent after that. No further reports ever came out of them assaulting anyone.

You don’t know this to be true at all.

It was in both his and her statements to police. It’s documented

It’s been pretty well documented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

You know this, how?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

How do you know this?

Yes. Please explain. This was not his reputation after the scandal. He was known as a devoted family after the assault allegations.

Not the same poster, but it was reported his wife accused him of having over 100 affairs when she initially filed for divorce. She decided not to divorce him. It was reported the news of affairs came from other basketball wives who heard it from their husbands.

Ive never heard this. I think you’re mixing up your basketball players

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“The helicopter ferrying basketball legend Kobe Bryant and eight others that slammed into a hillside near Los Angeles Sunday wasn’t equipped with a device designed to warn pilots when they’re in danger of hitting rising terrain.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-29/kobe-bryant-s-copter-lacked-terrain-warning-device-ntsb-says?srnd=premium&sref=tmIR2vcd&utm_source=url_link&__twitter_impression=true

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone forgetting that he was accused if rape?

And having affairs with 100+ women.

How do you know this?

Yes. Please explain. This was not his reputation after the scandal. He was known as a devoted family after the assault allegations.

Not the same poster, but it was reported his wife accused him of having over 100 affairs when she initially filed for divorce. She decided not to divorce him. It was reported the news of affairs came from other basketball wives who heard it from their husbands.

Ive never heard this. I think you’re mixing up your basketball players

DP. Even I know this about Kobe and I didn’t follow him too closely.