It's now easier to perform an abortion in the state of New York than to legally apply a tattoo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.




Is this what we want?

It's harder to become a tattoo artist in NY than to become a doctor?

Yea.... NO.

You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's harder to become a tattoo artist in NY than to become a doctor?

Yea.... NO.

You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

If it is a matter of prescribing a pill in the first few months of pregnancy for a "chemical abortion," the process is not hard. Knowing how and when to anticipate complications is a matter of training.

The extension to non-MDs is for some abortions and only with the appropriate training, i.e., "within the scope of practice."

Here is the text of the legislation: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2796

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?
As a procedure for trained medical professionals? Yes, it is a very simple procedure and it’s a great thing that women will be guaranteed access to this part of women’s health care. Sadly, millions of women in America are unable to access it due to the hypocritical policies of the forced birthers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

As a procedure for trained medical professionals? Yes, it is a very simple procedure and it’s a great thing that women will be guaranteed access to this part of women’s health care. Sadly, millions of women in America are unable to access it due to the hypocritical policies of the forced birthers.
What are you talking about? You seem very confused. Why kill a viable baby when someone wants to adopt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

As a procedure for trained medical professionals? Yes, it is a very simple procedure and it’s a great thing that women will be guaranteed access to this part of women’s health care. Sadly, millions of women in America are unable to access it due to the hypocritical policies of the forced birthers.

What are you talking about? You seem very confused. Why kill a viable baby when someone wants to adopt?

How many drug-addicted babies have you adopted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

As a procedure for trained medical professionals? Yes, it is a very simple procedure and it’s a great thing that women will be guaranteed access to this part of women’s health care. Sadly, millions of women in America are unable to access it due to the hypocritical policies of the forced birthers.

What are you talking about? You seem very confused. Why kill a viable baby when someone wants to adopt?

People usually want to adopt pretty, white, healthy babies from intelligent parents who are blocked or prohibited in some way from changing their minds about giving up the baby. Change any of these factors, and the interest goes down.

E.g., one reason international adoptions became popular is because the birth mother was exponentially less likely to default on the agreement, whether because she no longer had access to the infant, or what have you. Not the case in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to be a Dr to perform an abortion. Even a midwife can do it now.

Or your LPN. How hard can an abortion be? Piece of cake, huh?

As a procedure for trained medical professionals? Yes, it is a very simple procedure and it’s a great thing that women will be guaranteed access to this part of women’s health care. Sadly, millions of women in America are unable to access it due to the hypocritical policies of the forced birthers.

What are you talking about? You seem very confused. Why kill a viable baby when someone wants to adopt?

Why should any woman have to be a broodmare for your barren womb?

[Anonymous]

and why add to the backlog of already unadopted kids? There are many out there waiting for parents.

But, no, let's add more wards of the state. That ought to go well.

[Anonymous]

Abortion is child sacrifice. Thousands of years ago people sacrificed their children by fire to pagan gods. Today people do the same thing with abortion. And this new law in New York only makes it a easier to sacrifice babies. 60 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade, they can’t have all been ABSOLUTELY necessary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is child sacrifice. Thousands of years ago people sacrificed their children by fire to pagan gods. Today people do the same thing with abortion. And this new law in New York only makes it a easier to sacrifice babies. 60 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade, they can’t have all been ABSOLUTELY necessary

MANDATORY VASECTOMIES. END THREAD.

why the heck does this thread keep coming up. We've already established that NY's law is no worse than other red states that allow for abortions after viability in cases of mother's health risks. And midwives and PA in NY are much more educated and trained than tattoo artists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is child sacrifice. Thousands of years ago people sacrificed their children by fire to pagan gods. Today people do the same thing with abortion. And this new law in New York only makes it a easier to sacrifice babies. 60 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade, they can’t have all been ABSOLUTELY necessary

How many babies have you adopted? How about babies who only have a short period to live and in great pain? You have comforted them and paid for their vast medical bills? Or babies born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome who will have a years of expensive therapies and medical bills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is child sacrifice. Thousands of years ago people sacrificed their children by fire to pagan gods. Today people do the same thing with abortion. And this new law in New York only makes it a easier to sacrifice babies. 60 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade, they can’t have all been ABSOLUTELY necessary

MANDATORY VASECTOMIES. END THREAD.

why the heck does this thread keep coming up. We've already established that NY's law is no worse than other red states that allow for abortions after viability in cases of mother's health risks. And midwives and PA in NY are much more educated and trained than tattoo artists.

Fearmongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is child sacrifice. Thousands of years ago people sacrificed their children by fire to pagan gods. Today people do the same thing with abortion. And this new law in New York only makes it a easier to sacrifice babies. 60 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade, they can’t have all been ABSOLUTELY necessary

MANDATORY VASECTOMIES. END THREAD.

why the heck does this thread keep coming up. We've already established that NY's law is no worse than other red states that allow for abortions after viability in cases of mother's health risks. And midwives and PA in NY are much more educated and trained than tattoo artists.

Fearmongering.

+1. Conservatives need to believe liberals are the devil to quiet the cognitive dissonance over the people and policies conservatives have elected. Pro-life policies can only justify the likes of Trump and Steve King, the destruction of our environment, needless war in Iraq, huge deficits, and generous tax breaks for the rich if liberals and their abortion policies are monstrously evil.

[Anonymous]

In order to lend a professional perspective, the gynecologist Jennifer Gunter shared the reality of late term abortions with her Twitter followers.

@DrJenGunter
I’ve done abortions after 24 weeks.
For several years I lived in a state with no gestational age limit.
I have never done one that was not medically indicated.
I was never approached by any woman to do a non medically indicated abortion.
So spare me the lies.
Abortion after 24 weeks is very rare.
It is very expensive.
These are not “whims” because a woman is tired of being pregnant.
These are situations with tragic fetal anomalies, sometimes compounded by maternal health issues
I know of one case after 24 weeks where there were no fetal anomalies. It took months to get the court order as the child’s parents would not consent. It was in the news, so not a HIPAA violation. She had raped by her brother if I remember correctly.
Here are some examples:
25 weeks, severe growth restriction and fetus not expected to survive. Pregnant person has severe pre eclampsia, chooses abortion over c-section
32 weeks, anencephalic fetus. Pregnant person just can’t take people touching her belly and asking about the baby. Chooses an early induction, which is technically an abortion.
Triploidy pregnancy. Had been planning to deliver at term and have hospice. At 36 weeks, transverse lie. Can’t be induced for this reason. Does not want a c-section. Chooses a dilation and extraction.
Anyone, especially any doctor, who says these are not indicated is wrong.
Sometimes hypertension in pregnancy is so bad that a 26 week fetus is the size of one that is 19 weeks. The mother is literally dying from her high blood pressure. The D and E may be safer and faster. Your patient is counseled by neonatology and OB and then she makes a choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In order to lend a professional perspective, the gynecologist Jennifer Gunter shared the reality of late term abortions with her Twitter followers.

@DrJenGunter
I’ve done abortions after 24 weeks.
For several years I lived in a state with no gestational age limit.
I have never done one that was not medically indicated.
I was never approached by any woman to do a non medically indicated abortion.
So spare me the lies.
Abortion after 24 weeks is very rare.
It is very expensive.
These are not “whims” because a woman is tired of being pregnant.
These are situations with tragic fetal anomalies, sometimes compounded by maternal health issues
I know of one case after 24 weeks where there were no fetal anomalies. It took months to get the court order as the child’s parents would not consent. It was in the news, so not a HIPAA violation. She had raped by her brother if I remember correctly.
Here are some examples:
25 weeks, severe growth restriction and fetus not expected to survive. Pregnant person has severe pre eclampsia, chooses abortion over c-section
32 weeks, anencephalic fetus. Pregnant person just can’t take people touching her belly and asking about the baby. Chooses an early induction, which is technically an abortion.
Triploidy pregnancy. Had been planning to deliver at term and have hospice. At 36 weeks, transverse lie. Can’t be induced for this reason. Does not want a c-section. Chooses a dilation and extraction.
Anyone, especially any doctor, who says these are not indicated is wrong.
Sometimes hypertension in pregnancy is so bad that a 26 week fetus is the size of one that is 19 weeks. The mother is literally dying from her high blood pressure. The D and E may be safer and faster. Your patient is counseled by neonatology and OB and then she makes a choice.

+1 OP is an ignorant fool. No one likes abortion, and the conditions under which women have late-term abortions are ones you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.