Loudoun Struggles in ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

These are 10 and 11 year old girls. They are not DA or ECNL.

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You can criticize these little pre-ECNL girls if that makes you feel better. But they are coveted by other clubs. They have defeated just about every local team and many top East Coast teams. People from apparently all over including the local DA and ECNL teams are coming to discuss them on this board and try to recruit them. Parents from other clubs are recording and posting their games on YouTube. Good for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

These are 10 and 11 year old girls. They are not DA or ECNL.

The poster above said that the video was similar to ECNL and DA teams he/she has watched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can criticize these little pre-ECNL girls if that makes you feel better. But they are coveted by other clubs. They have defeated just about every local team and many top East Coast teams. People from apparently all over including the local DA and ECNL teams are coming to discuss them on this board and try to recruit them. Parents from other clubs are recording and posting their games on YouTube. Good for them.

I am not criticizing the girls. The question was simply whether they are playing possession soccer. That is dictated by the coach and club. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 as well (not in your area). I do think it's crazy that people are on here discussing a specific 2007 team (I did not do that, simply commented on the video--I didn't even know which team was which). How strong a team or individual player is at u11/u12 does not determine how strong they will be at u15 and above.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

I also would not describe either of these two teams as playing possession soccer. Clarkstown looked more composed and had more of the ball, but even Clarkstown did not look like a possession oriented team. Here's an example of a U14 ECNL team that I would describe as a possession style team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQFlrRW2ZlI I specifically selected a team from a different geographic area, age group and different time period to be neutral.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

I also would not describe either of these two teams as playing possession soccer. Clarkstown looked more composed and had more of the ball, but even Clarkstown did not look like a possession oriented team. Here's an example of a U14 ECNL team that I would describe as a possession style team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQFlrRW2ZlI I specifically selected a team from a different geographic area, age group and different time period to be neutral.

Crazy how 13 year old kids play a more disciplined possession style than 10 year old girls. SMH

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

LOUDOUN SOCCER 07G RED PRE-ECNL
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=61042&FieldID=0&applicationID=4324222&action=Go

1. They were in the very top bracket, higher than McLean, higher than Charlotte Academy (which is DA now, so that's their pre-DA team), but they were always strong, when they were in the ECNL and now as a DA).
2. They made it to the finals and lost to FC Dallas, which is another very strong club from Texas.
3. What are we nitpicking? It's highlights, so you don't see the whole game, but the video shows both teams playing possession. I didn't watch it end to end. I went through different clips for a couple minutes each. Both teams had nice connection moments and were playing from out of the back.

On a side note, it must have been freezing that day because several of the girls are wearing pants and long sleeves. Brrr!

If either of those clubs is selling that as possession soccer, the parents should ask for their money back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

I'm not going to annotate the whole game, but I will post one clip to say that it is: 0:35-47. What's that? The keeper plays out of the back and the girls make several small passes.

That's a great clip if you're Clarkstown.

Yeah, I know. I was waiting to see if the Loudoun haters could tell the difference. They can't. This is just proof they will attack no matter what. I have seen ECNL and DA teams, at different age groups. I didn't see anything here that was so gross and hard on the eyes. No more than some other games I've watched. I won't sink to their club bashing level, but we could change the uniforms and names and this could be some other clubs that certainly think a lot of themselves.

I think you are referring to my post saying that these teams are not playing possession... I am not from your area and have no dog in this fight in terms of the clubs in your area. If this is what ECNL and DA look like in that region, you probably have too many teams diluting the talent pool.

I also would not describe either of these two teams as playing possession soccer. Clarkstown looked more composed and had more of the ball, but even Clarkstown did not look like a possession oriented team. Here's an example of a U14 ECNL team that I would describe as a possession style team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQFlrRW2ZlI I specifically selected a team from a different geographic area, age group and different time period to be neutral.

Crazy how 13 year old kids play a more disciplined possession style than 10 year old girls. SMH

But De Anza played the same style when they were younger. As this article explains, "At younger ages, the team would lose, sometimes heavily, to teams taking a much more direct approach, while his group would continue to work on connecting passes, moving without the ball and building from the back, with the ball usually on the ground." https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/the-key-to-de-anza-force-is-in-the-details_aid26616 I did not see the same approach of trying to build out of the back from the two high ranked U11 teams, whose Jefferson cup game was posted earlier.

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These are the girls that beat FCV 21-1 over 3 games.

[Anonymous]

That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

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Anonymous wrote:That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

You just have to figure out their graduation year.
https://www.deanzaforce.org/college

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Anonymous wrote:That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

Love the sarcasm.... if you're the parent of a U12 player thinking about college commitments and the WNT for your daughter right now, it's time for a reality check. And I say this as a parent of a daughter playing for a club with multiple players currently on YNT's at multiple age groups. Reading these posts, it seems that most of the focus is on a particular U12 team and how many games they win. Games won at U12 will mean nothing when they are 15, 16, 17... and it certainly won't determine which kids play at a higher level. Don't pick a club based on wins and losses. Pick a club based on their development philosophy and, more importantly, the coach that will be training your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

Love the sarcasm.... if you're the parent of a U12 player thinking about college commitments and the WNT for your daughter right now, it's time for a reality check. And I say this as a parent of a daughter playing for a club with multiple players currently on YNT's at multiple age groups. Reading these posts, it seems that most of the focus is on a particular U12 team and how many games they win. Games won at U12 will mean nothing when they are 15, 16, 17... and it certainly won't determine which kids play at a higher level. Don't pick a club based on wins and losses. Pick a club based on their development philosophy and, more importantly, the coach that will be training your kid.

No sarcasm intended, and no reality check needed. The video just made me feel nostalgic. My oldest child's youth career is almost done. He and a lot of the kids he grew up with will be playing in college next year (and a couple of them have been on YNTs at multiple age groups). My soccer friends (now some of my closest friends) and I have been reminiscing and sending each other videos from when the kids were little. We are looking forward to following their college games, but it's not the same as being able to watch all the games in person and catch up with the other families. I imagine the families of those girls went through something similar, and I hope a few of them ended up playing together in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

Love the sarcasm.... if you're the parent of a U12 player thinking about college commitments and the WNT for your daughter right now, it's time for a reality check. And I say this as a parent of a daughter playing for a club with multiple players currently on YNT's at multiple age groups. Reading these posts, it seems that most of the focus is on a particular U12 team and how many games they win. Games won at U12 will mean nothing when they are 15, 16, 17... and it certainly won't determine which kids play at a higher level. Don't pick a club based on wins and losses. Pick a club based on their development philosophy and, more importantly, the coach that will be training your kid.

+1000 Amen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That DeAnza force video is fun to watch. Where are those girls playing now? Is there a list of where they committed? It must have been really fun for their community to watch them grow from little players into, I'm assuming, college stars (and some on the WNT?).

Love the sarcasm.... if you're the parent of a U12 player thinking about college commitments and the WNT for your daughter right now, it's time for a reality check. And I say this as a parent of a daughter playing for a club with multiple players currently on YNT's at multiple age groups. Reading these posts, it seems that most of the focus is on a particular U12 team and how many games they win. Games won at U12 will mean nothing when they are 15, 16, 17... and it certainly won't determine which kids play at a higher level. Don't pick a club based on wins and losses. Pick a club based on their development philosophy and, more importantly, the coach that will be training your kid.

+1000 Amen

I agree that it may be too early to think about college commitment at this age but it is not to early to pay attention to what your DD is learning. Is she on a team that kicks long and does not play out of the back? If so, these are the skills that she will carry over to the older age groups. De Anza girls were getting crushed at younger ages by more direct teams because they were trying to execute passes and play out of the back and, of course, had turnovers which cost them multiple games. By U14, they have mastered their style of play that you could see in the video. The teams that were destroying them at U11-U12, could not longer compete with their direct style of play, which was extremely effective at younger ages. What the team is trying to execute on the field at younger ages is more important than a number of wins, scores, or got soccer rankings.