DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


These multiple DA teams in a single area are a gimmick. Agreed. We are freezing talent out even more and making it even harder for kids not with rich parents and rides to be identified when you have US soccer only looking at one or two teams. Again, the best talent in this country isn't even found in these feeder systems.

In this area, it's a bunch of grown men in a pissing match via for young girls to come to their Clubs. Of course, their parents with dreams of greatness and not an eye on reality or what their daughters may actually want to be doing at 18 (hint: majority are not going to want to be focused on soccer 24/7 by that age), it's even more ridiculous.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


These multiple DA teams in a single area are a gimmick. Agreed. We are freezing talent out even more and making it even harder for kids not with rich parents and rides to be identified when you have US soccer only looking at one or two teams. Again, the best talent in this country isn't even found in these feeder systems.

In this area, it's a bunch of grown men in a pissing match via for young girls to come to their Clubs. Of course, their parents with dreams of greatness and not an eye on reality or what their daughters may actually want to be doing at 18 (hint: majority are not going to want to be focused on soccer 24/7 by that age), it's even more ridiculous.



I actually 100% agree with you! But if DA is going to force its feeder system on us all then at least be super elite and have only 1 team per area for those dedicated to national team level training! Otherwise it doesn't mean anything.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


These multiple DA teams in a single area are a gimmick. Agreed. We are freezing talent out even more and making it even harder for kids not with rich parents and rides to be identified when you have US soccer only looking at one or two teams. Again, the best talent in this country isn't even found in these feeder systems.

In this area, it's a bunch of grown men in a pissing match via for young girls to come to their Clubs. Of course, their parents with dreams of greatness and not an eye on reality or what their daughters may actually want to be doing at 18 (hint: majority are not going to want to be focused on soccer 24/7 by that age), it's even more ridiculous.



I actually 100% agree with you! But if DA is going to force its feeder system on us all then at least be super elite and have only 1 team per area for those dedicated to national team level training! Otherwise it doesn't mean anything.


PP here. I also completely agree it should only be 1 DA team for the DMV region (at least 1 for NoVA). It means absolutely nothing the more DA teams you add. But--parents sure do love it ---will they get DA car magnets?
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.


+100

That is exactly what makes something elite. Should we have 4 U-17 USMNTS? Traditionally, MLS DA was 1 per large geographic region. DA is becoming like a regular travel team the more ubiquitous it becomes.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.


+100

That is exactly what makes something elite. Should we have 4 U-17 USMNTS? Traditionally, MLS DA was 1 per large geographic region. DA is becoming like a regular travel team the more ubiquitous it becomes.


It is a 'regular' travel team in most Club DA, A team rebranded 'da'.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.


It just isn’t logistically feasible. You also do realize that in order to ID you cast a wide net? That at 14 years old you can get kids wrong. Alex Morgan didn’t even make her ODP team for crying out loud. So your best idea is at 14 years old to thin the heard to 22 kids in a metropolitan area of 2-3 million people where just driving 10 miles can take 45 minutes?

You are an idiot.
Anonymous
I still don't understand the focus on DA/ECNL. Those clubs are not the only clubs in town and as a matter of fact if I look at the Region I rankings and they are dominated by ECNL and the DA teams in the DMV are weak at best. The tournaments that I have attended, the ECNL teams are competitive but are far from the most dominant teams in the u14/u15 category. My point is that others clubs outside of DA/ECNL are fielding more competitive teams in the U15 and younger category. Again, not knocking DA/ECNL but am saying that those clubs are not the only game in town. Follow the Jefferson's Cup brackets. There are plenty of non-ECNL teams placed in the top brackets.
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Anonymous wrote:Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.



You have no clue what you're talking about here. For ECNL, the U16 and U17 teams have to do 3 showcases of their choice. U18 and U14 have to do two. I forget if U15 is 2 or 3 but it's easy to check if you want to go to the ECNL website. No one has to do all five. In fact, if a team attends more than the required number of showcases then at PDA, the team will usually be put into a non-ECNL bracket, ie, treated like any other non-ECNL team at the event.

Also, very few, if any, ECNL clubs do Disney because they can just do ECNL Florida during the same time frame and it counts as one of the required showcases.

At least have some clue what you're talking about


U14 it is optional to do the national Events


The listed tournaments are all ECNL events. Have a clue yourself.


Why do you keep doubling down on your stupidity? No one said those are not national events. The challenge was about the initial statement that "Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events" Again, that statement is blatantly false. The number of events you have to go to depends on what age group you're in, but the most any team has to go to is three, others have to do two, and then U14 is up to the specific team/club whether to do any.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If DA had one team and ECNL had 3 teams in NOVA then this would let all the other teams stay together and enjoy soccer at a competitive level. And grow and strength the sport. With too many “elite” options, this battle is going to destroy the small clubs as well as water down each other. It really isn’t necessary. Hoping for some sanity down the road from all groups! Let’s figure out how to work together.


It will not stop as long as parents are willing to pay. ECNL knows they will still pay even for a national 2nd Tier.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


These multiple DA teams in a single area are a gimmick. Agreed. We are freezing talent out even more and making it even harder for kids not with rich parents and rides to be identified when you have US soccer only looking at one or two teams. Again, the best talent in this country isn't even found in these feeder systems.

In this area, it's a bunch of grown men in a pissing match via for young girls to come to their Clubs. Of course, their parents with dreams of greatness and not an eye on reality or what their daughters may actually want to be doing at 18 (hint: majority are not going to want to be focused on soccer 24/7 by that age), it's even more ridiculous.



I actually 100% agree with you! But if DA is going to force its feeder system on us all then at least be super elite and have only 1 team per area for those dedicated to national team level training! Otherwise it doesn't mean anything.


PP here. I also completely agree it should only be 1 DA team for the DMV region (at least 1 for NoVA). It means absolutely nothing the more DA teams you add. But--parents sure do love it ---will they get DA car magnets?


Good point. Two FULL DAs is more then enough. You have also made the point that having 6 ECNL clubs is even worse. All those paying parents thinking their daughter is Elite??? Cr@p, every girls can find an ECNL team now. I have not seen a DA sticker, but see lots and lots of ECNL magnets.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.



You have no clue what you're talking about here. For ECNL, the U16 and U17 teams have to do 3 showcases of their choice. U18 and U14 have to do two. I forget if U15 is 2 or 3 but it's easy to check if you want to go to the ECNL website. No one has to do all five. In fact, if a team attends more than the required number of showcases then at PDA, the team will usually be put into a non-ECNL bracket, ie, treated like any other non-ECNL team at the event.

Also, very few, if any, ECNL clubs do Disney because they can just do ECNL Florida during the same time frame and it counts as one of the required showcases.

At least have some clue what you're talking about


U14 it is optional to do the national Events


The listed tournaments are all ECNL events. Have a clue yourself.


Clearly you are not in the know.....BRYC U14s are ONLY doing the Greer U14 National Showcase for the year and that was optional.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.


It just isn’t logistically feasible. You also do realize that in order to ID you cast a wide net? That at 14 years old you can get kids wrong. Alex Morgan didn’t even make her ODP team for crying out loud. So your best idea is at 14 years old to thin the heard to 22 kids in a metropolitan area of 2-3 million people where just driving 10 miles can take 45 minutes?

You are an idiot.



No need to call me an idiot just because I don't agree with you. Yes they do need a wide net at first to spot talent -- isn't that the purpose of the USTCs? I don't see the need for DA at the younger ages. The USTCs allow the most elite to develop separately on a wide range of teams with different coaching philosophies (which is awesome!) -- then when they are older, if USTCs must end (which I wish they didn't), then DA should become that super competitive team for national team caliber players only. Having Spirit and FCA so close is not going to produce 2 super elite teams. I just don't see how it does even if you think it does. We guess we just have a different definition of what national team caliber players are. I would expect the tryouts to be intense and only the very best of the best make it each year. If you are that serious and that elite, no doubt you would travel across the county to be part of this team. And if you hadn't developed yet at 14 years old, then sounds like you aren't ready for DA yet and should focus on your individual development and come back next year to tryout again. This would make more sense to me than having multiple watered down teams. Be respective of different opinions on here. I'm not saying I'm right, this is just how I see it.
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Anonymous wrote:One thought on this is that in order for DA to really be top of the pyramid, it should only have one team in NOVA. There should be many fewer DA teams across the country and then you have created a pyramid model. Otherwise it is just watered down like all the other options in the area.


There are two FULL DAs: Spirit and FCV. Pyramid like boys. ASA is a base.


No not really a pyramid. Why do you need Spirit and FCV? Not that far from each other? No need for both of those - there is not more than 1 team of true national team level players in the area even if there are more parents wanting it for themselves and their kids. Not going to be truly elite until there is only one team in the area. There is 1 national team feeding from all the DA teams around the country -- DA teams should be truly elite and selective. Get rid of many DA teams and have focus on the USTC level kids only. Just my view on things....


One team in the DMV? That is the dumbest thing said in weeks.


We will agree to disagree! I believe that if your kid is so elite that he/she is among those few kids selected for the USTC each month (those high caliber kids travel across the state for those session each month)...then he/she would travel across the NOVA area to be on this super elite team. Not going to convince me that we need both FCV and Spirit DAs right down the road from each other. No way there are enough national team caliber kids for both teams.


It just isn’t logistically feasible. You also do realize that in order to ID you cast a wide net? That at 14 years old you can get kids wrong. Alex Morgan didn’t even make her ODP team for crying out loud. So your best idea is at 14 years old to thin the heard to 22 kids in a metropolitan area of 2-3 million people where just driving 10 miles can take 45 minutes?

You are an idiot.



No need to call me an idiot just because I don't agree with you. Yes they do need a wide net at first to spot talent -- isn't that the purpose of the USTCs? I don't see the need for DA at the younger ages. The USTCs allow the most elite to develop separately on a wide range of teams with different coaching philosophies (which is awesome!) -- then when they are older, if USTCs must end (which I wish they didn't), then DA should become that super competitive team for national team caliber players only. Having Spirit and FCA so close is not going to produce 2 super elite teams. I just don't see how it does even if you think it does. We guess we just have a different definition of what national team caliber players are. I would expect the tryouts to be intense and only the very best of the best make it each year. If you are that serious and that elite, no doubt you would travel across the county to be part of this team. And if you hadn't developed yet at 14 years old, then sounds like you aren't ready for DA yet and should focus on your individual development and come back next year to tryout again. This would make more sense to me than having multiple watered down teams. Be respective of different opinions on here. I'm not saying I'm right, this is just how I see it.


I am calling you an idiot because you fundamentally don't understand how DA works. They are not interested in creating "Super Teams". They are interested in having a controlled training and ID platform. The fact that kids compete and learn to compete, while important isn't the full picture.

And the truth is there are not 20 national team caliber players in NOVA as is. 40 kids get called to camp nationwide and our region down to Richmond sent what 3 kids for the 04 age group currently and two were from Richmond?
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