The Menendez Brothers

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

Murder is worse than abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

Murder is worse than abuse.

Murder of sexually abusive parents could be argued to be justified. At the minimum a mitigating factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

They are, in fact, murderers.

[Anonymous]

If they were in fact sexually abused by their father (and even mother as they now are stating) then I feel just awful for them.
Sexual abuse is very serious and the harm it inflicts upon its victims can have lifelong serious emotional effects that can affect the trajectory of their lives.

However if the victims truly fear for their lives, that they will be murdered by their parents then they should leave the family home immediately and let the authorities know about any perceived threat on their life.
They need to have documented evidence that their livelihood is being threatened and pursue charges against the perpetrator if that is warranted.
It is not warranted to take matters into one’s own hands.
To map out a murder plan then execute it. (Sorry for the bad pun.)

These two definitely premeditated their parent’s murders.
I mean they drove over two hours south to San Diego to purchase the firearms they would use to shoot their parents!
If they were abuse victims who shot their parents in self defense then why did they spend their money so fast after they died??

They both are right where they deserve to be imo.
And should not ever be free.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

Murder is worse than abuse.

Murder of sexually abusive parents could be argued to be justified. At the minimum a mitigating factor.

And their excessive money driven lifestyle afterwards? Poor boys. Overcome with remorse. And still breaking rules and blaming their mither. They are deeply disturbed individuals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

Murder is worse than abuse.

Murder of sexually abusive parents could be argued to be justified. At the minimum a mitigating factor.

Not for these losers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they were in fact sexually abused by their father (and even mother as they now are stating) then I feel just awful for them.
Sexual abuse is very serious and the harm it inflicts upon its victims can have lifelong serious emotional effects that can affect the trajectory of their lives.

However if the victims truly fear for their lives, that they will be murdered by their parents then they should leave the family home immediately and let the authorities know about any perceived threat on their life.
They need to have documented evidence that their livelihood is being threatened and pursue charges against the perpetrator if that is warranted.
It is not warranted to take matters into one’s own hands.
To map out a murder plan then execute it. (Sorry for the bad pun.)

These two definitely premeditated their parent’s murders.
I mean they drove over two hours south to San Diego to purchase the firearms they would use to shoot their parents!
If they were abuse victims who shot their parents in self defense then why did they spend their money so fast after they died??

They both are right where they deserve to be imo.
And should not ever be free.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They murdered their parents because they are murderers, not because they were abused. Lots of people are abused and it doesn't make them kill their abusers. They were adults. They could have walked away or called the police. They could have written a tell-all. They could have said, "You're dead to me. I will never see or speak to you again." Instead they killed them. Because they are murderers.

I don’t think anyone is arguing they shouldn’t have been convicted for murder. But jail is supposed to be both punitive and rehabilitative. They’ve served 30 years and they appear to be rehabilitated. So why are they still in jail?

Agree

They served their time. They are not a threat to society.

There is Solid corroborating evidence that they were sexually molested by their dad. Who would not be messed up after living through such abuse by the people who supposed to protect you?

They have spouses who love them.

It is both inhumane and a waste of tax payers money to keep them in jail.

What is the “solid” evidence that you are referring to here?
The fact that one person claimed they were sexually abused by their Father??
I wouldn’t call that solid evidence in regards to the letter of the law.

And they paid their debt to society??
Most people who murder more than one person (in CA) are often eligible for the death penalty.
Even if they had gotten parole last week, they were no where near what most people who kill multiple people get as a penalty.

I think keeping them in prison is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars.
Because if they got out, it is very clear that they wouldn’t be able to conform to society’s rules since they cannot even follow basic prison ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

They are, in fact, murderers.

So are many people - many military fighters, police officers, and people who defend themselves against assailants or armed robbers.

There are many different layers of murder as indicated by the law. Experiencing Sexual abuse as a child is considered mitigating evidence in cases of people who have murdered their abusers in most US courts of criminal law.

The brothers are human as are you and I. I had a wonderful father and can’t imagine living through the horrors they did.

They are obviously not perfect but they have already lost their youth, early adulthood and middle life years to jail time. The prison warden at a jail where they served time for years wrote a letter in support of releasing them due to extensive evidence that they had rehabilitated and were contributing to prison community love in important ways.

It is not serving society well by wasting tax payer money on keeping them locked up during their sunset years. They should be free now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

Murder is worse than abuse.

Murder of sexually abusive parents could be argued to be justified. At the minimum a mitigating factor.

But in a court of law, that mitigating factor needs to be proven and in this case it never truly was.

It was never proven that these two losers were abused.

It was just alleged.
By the two murderers.
Confessed murderers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

They are, in fact, murderers.

So are many people - many military fighters, police officers, and people who defend themselves against assailants or armed robbers.

There are many different layers of murder as indicated by the law. Experiencing Sexual abuse as a child is considered mitigating evidence in cases of people who have murdered their abusers in most US courts of criminal law.

The brothers are human as are you and I. I had a wonderful father and can’t imagine living through the horrors they did.

They are obviously not perfect but they have already lost their youth, early adulthood and middle life years to jail time. The prison warden at a jail where they served time for years wrote a letter in support of releasing them due to extensive evidence that they had rehabilitated and were contributing to prison community love in important ways.

It is not serving society well by wasting tax payer money on keeping them locked up during their sunset years. They should be free now.

Nice try. They murdered their parents in cold blood to get their money, they can rot where they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They murdered their parents because they are murderers, not because they were abused. Lots of people are abused and it doesn't make them kill their abusers. They were adults. They could have walked away or called the police. They could have written a tell-all. They could have said, "You're dead to me. I will never see or speak to you again." Instead they killed them. Because they are murderers.

I don’t think anyone is arguing they shouldn’t have been convicted for murder. But jail is supposed to be both punitive and rehabilitative. They’ve served 30 years and they appear to be rehabilitated. So why are they still in jail?

Agree

They served their time. They are not a threat to society.

There is Solid corroborating evidence that they were sexually molested by their dad. Who would not be messed up after living through such abuse by the people who supposed to protect you?

They have spouses who love them.

It is both inhumane and a waste of tax payers money to keep them in jail.

What is the “solid” evidence that you are referring to here?
The fact that one person claimed they were sexually abused by their Father??
I wouldn’t call that solid evidence in regards to the letter of the law.

And they paid their debt to society??
Most people who murder more than one person (in CA) are often eligible for the death penalty.
Even if they had gotten parole last week, they were no where near what most people who kill multiple people get as a penalty.

I think keeping them in prison is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars.
Because if they got out, it is very clear that they wouldn’t be able to conform to society’s rules since they cannot even follow basic prison ones.

+1 exactly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read all the evidence of their sexual abuse and I don’t know, man, that is some awful stuff.

Evidence of sexual abuse, or the boys' accounts of it? The problem is that they were/are serial liars. It's hard to know what to believe. Now one of them is coming out and claiming his mom sexually abused him too? They know the case for murdering mom was weak so they're now embellishing it. We also have no idea what the extent of the abuse was or whether the mom actually knew about it. Once more we only have their (unreliable) word for this. Do I believe they grew up in a horrible home? Yes. Do I believe every word that comes out of their mouths? No, not even close.

I agree with a PP this was vengeance not self-defense. Because they are untrustworthy narrators who continue to break the rules, I also agree they should stay where they are.

Did you miss the part where a member of
Menudo also stated that he was molested by their father as well? He was obviously a pedophile.

And his sons carry his DNA.

This is true of any child that is sexually abused by a parent. And what does that have to do with his other victims?

Only a very small percentage become murderers.

They did not murder random strangers but their parents who had been abusing them for years.

They are, in fact, murderers.

So are many people - many military fighters, police officers, and people who defend themselves against assailants or armed robbers.

There are many different layers of murder as indicated by the law. Experiencing Sexual abuse as a child is considered mitigating evidence in cases of people who have murdered their abusers in most US courts of criminal law.

The brothers are human as are you and I. I had a wonderful father and can’t imagine living through the horrors they did.

They are obviously not perfect but they have already lost their youth, early adulthood and middle life years to jail time. The prison warden at a jail where they served time for years wrote a letter in support of releasing them due to extensive evidence that they had rehabilitated and were contributing to prison community love in important ways.

It is not serving society well by wasting tax payer money on keeping them locked up during their sunset years. They should be free now.

You disgust me with your attempt to compare these two sociopaths with police officers, military fighters, and people defending themselves against an assailant. Go peddle your BS to someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They murdered their parents because they are murderers, not because they were abused. Lots of people are abused and it doesn't make them kill their abusers. They were adults. They could have walked away or called the police. They could have written a tell-all. They could have said, "You're dead to me. I will never see or speak to you again." Instead they killed them. Because they are murderers.

I don’t think anyone is arguing they shouldn’t have been convicted for murder. But jail is supposed to be both punitive and rehabilitative. They’ve served 30 years and they appear to be rehabilitated. So why are they still in jail?

Agree

They served their time. They are not a threat to society.

There is Solid corroborating evidence that they were sexually molested by their dad. Who would not be messed up after living through such abuse by the people who supposed to protect you?

They have spouses who love them.

It is both inhumane and a waste of tax payers money to keep them in jail.

What is the “solid” evidence that you are referring to here?
The fact that one person claimed they were sexually abused by their Father??
I wouldn’t call that solid evidence in regards to the letter of the law.

And they paid their debt to society??
Most people who murder more than one person (in CA) are often eligible for the death penalty.
Even if they had gotten parole last week, they were no where near what most people who kill multiple people get as a penalty.

I think keeping them in prison is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars.
Because if they got out, it is very clear that they wouldn’t be able to conform to society’s rules since they cannot even follow basic prison ones.

Evidence supporting claims that the Menendez brothers were sexually molested by their father includes:

1. a 1988 letter from Erik Menendez to his cousin detailing the abuse; and

2. a recent declaration from Roy Rosselló, a former Menudo band member, alleging he was also sexually assaulted by Jose Menendez.

These pieces of evidence were excluded or unknown at their original trials. I agree with their lawyers that they should be considered for a reduced sentence based on the significance of lifetime abuse.

LA District Attorney George Gascón: He wrote letters to California Governor Gavin Newsom supporting clemency for the brothers before he left office.

Fellow prison staff and inmates: During their recent parole hearings, prison employees testified as character witnesses regarding their good behavior and rehabilitation.

Over a dozen family members, including aunts and cousins, have provided emotional statements and letters of support for the brothers.