The Menendez Brothers

[Anonymous]

You can tell someone is gay by looking at them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side note - the house they lived in and murdered their parents in is still standing in Beverly Hills. Who would buy that house?!

Should it be torn down?

I wouldn't live in it! I can't imagine watching TV in the same room where two people got their heads blown off by their children! Yes, tear it down and build another - that is prime real estate in Beverly Hills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear the story about the dog head in the fridge? We may never know if that's true but if it is, wow, what a hell these guys grew up in.

That was horrifying. I don't blame them for blowing their dad away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear the story about the dog head in the fridge? We may never know if that's true but if it is, wow, what a hell these guys grew up in.

That was horrifying. I don't blame them for blowing their dad away.

IF it's true.

[Anonymous]

I am still on the fence about this case.

Sure, on one hand they had golden opportunities that not every person gets.
They were raised in mansions w/maids and all of that.
They also had the opportunity to attend Princeton & UCLA which are fine colleges.

Lyle cheated, got suspended by Princeton.
They committed residential robberies for the adrenaline rush since money was not even an issue.

Worse....
After their parents were murdered they practically dug their own graves by generously spending what $$ their parents had left them.
That wasn't exactly the smartest move on their part, but hey who makes smart decisions at 18 and 21....??!

But on the other hand by all accounts their Father was a tyrant as a Husband, Father and Professional in his field.
He hit & cheated on his wife and may have sexually/physically/mentally abused his sons.

That is the tricky part:
Either they both should of won Academy Awards in '90 for best acting EVER or they endured unimaginable sexual abuse from their Dad at an early age.

Watching them cocky on camera one minute (who can ever remember Erik's smirk when the camera was on his face?) to seeing them cry in distress recalling how their Dad abused them, etc....,well that is a tough watch when they testified.

But no matter what, I still see no logic for them blowing away their Mother, using the pathetic excuse they wanted to put her out of her misery.

Sorry the buck stopped there with me.

[Anonymous]

And the fact that their Father killed the black family dog, then stuck the head in the refrigerator for his kids to see.....Well sorry but that would traumatized me for life plus in all honesty that would motivate me to inflict harm on whoever inflicted harm on an innocent animal for malice.

And I think they were angry at their Mother for letting them both suffer so much just made them lose the ultimate respect for her which may have been a motive for her killing.

Still not a good enough reason in my book.

[Anonymous]

I think that they had a difficult relationship with their parents. Their dad was a bully and their mom didn't stand up for Lyle and Eric. At the same time, Lyle and Eric were used to having and spending money - and lots of it.

Their dad had grown tired of his son's trouble making. Lyle and Eric were huge embarrassments and disappointments to their dad. Their mom sided with their dad.

We'll never know exactly what happened but I believe that Lyle and Eric were expecting to be kicked out and have their access to money cut off. That is why they plotted and carried out the execution of their parents.

It was the rejection by their parents combined with the threat of having their money supply cut off that led to the murders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I am still on the fence about this case.

Sure, on one hand they had golden opportunities that not every person gets.
They were raised in mansions w/maids and all of that.
They also had the opportunity to attend Princeton & UCLA which are fine colleges.

Lyle cheated, got suspended by Princeton.
They committed residential robberies for the adrenaline rush since money was not even an issue.

Worse....
After their parents were murdered they practically dug their own graves by generously spending what $$ their parents had left them.
That wasn't exactly the smartest move on their part, but hey who makes smart decisions at 18 and 21....??!

But on the other hand by all accounts their Father was a tyrant as a Husband, Father and Professional in his field.
He hit & cheated on his wife and may have sexually/physically/mentally abused his sons.

That is the tricky part:
Either they both should of won Academy Awards in '90 for best acting EVER or they endured unimaginable sexual abuse from their Dad at an early age.

Watching them cocky on camera one minute (who can ever remember Erik's smirk when the camera was on his face?) to seeing them cry in distress recalling how their Dad abused them, etc....,well that is a tough watch when they testified.

But no matter what, I still see no logic for them blowing away their Mother, using the pathetic excuse they wanted to put her out of her misery.

Sorry the buck stopped there with me.

If the abuse was true, and dearest mother stood by and failed to protect her children, yeah she deserved it and more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I am still on the fence about this case.

Sure, on one hand they had golden opportunities that not every person gets.
They were raised in mansions w/maids and all of that.
They also had the opportunity to attend Princeton & UCLA which are fine colleges.

Lyle cheated, got suspended by Princeton.
They committed residential robberies for the adrenaline rush since money was not even an issue.

Worse....
After their parents were murdered they practically dug their own graves by generously spending what $$ their parents had left them.
That wasn't exactly the smartest move on their part, but hey who makes smart decisions at 18 and 21....??!

But on the other hand by all accounts their Father was a tyrant as a Husband, Father and Professional in his field.
He hit & cheated on his wife and may have sexually/physically/mentally abused his sons.

That is the tricky part:
Either they both should of won Academy Awards in '90 for best acting EVER or they endured unimaginable sexual abuse from their Dad at an early age.

Watching them cocky on camera one minute (who can ever remember Erik's smirk when the camera was on his face?) to seeing them cry in distress recalling how their Dad abused them, etc....,well that is a tough watch when they testified.

But no matter what, I still see no logic for them blowing away their Mother, using the pathetic excuse they wanted to put her out of her misery.

Sorry the buck stopped there with me.

If the abuse was true, and dearest mother stood by and failed to protect her children, yeah she deserved it and more.

I think that she was caught up in the whole dynamic. On the one hand she had a husband who clearly had the dominant personality - he wore the pants, he was the provider, he was the one in control and he used money to control his family. He may even have been abusive to her at times but she probably basked in his approval too and she had her own lifestyle expectations/spending habits to consider - you don't just give that up. On the other hand she had her two young adult sons who were getting into trouble and creating huge issues in their house. She was aggravated with them too and at 18 and 21 they had minds of their own and were completely out of her control.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen the scenes where both brothers were crying on the stand when they described the sexual abuse that they suffered from their Dad?

Even those that thought the boys were scum were actually bawling at the time.
It WAS extremely painful to hear such morbid details.

Does anyone believe the abuse "excuse??"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were spoiled sociopaths.[/quote


Nowadays they call that affluenza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen the scenes where both brothers were crying on the stand when they described the sexual abuse that they suffered from their Dad?

Even those that thought the boys were scum were actually bawling at the time.
It WAS extremely painful to hear such morbid details.

Does anyone believe the abuse "excuse??"

I watched the trial. I don't remember the specifics of the sexual abuse allegations. I do remember how emotional their testimony was - any person with a heart felt horrible for those boys.

However, I think that the murders were motivated more by the fear of losing money than by any actual physical fear of their father, even though they may have feared him in the past. The man had a mean streak and I think that the boys had a legitimate seething contempt for their dad.

It would be interesting to hear Lyle and Erics' perspectives now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reading the recent news outlets discuss the case.
Any new ideas on this, ladies?
I was a teen when this all went down and I remember the years of Menendez Brothers in our vernacular.

Here's what I don't get: their second trial, the one that resulted in a conviction; that judge did not allow in evidence the many neighbors teatimony about possible abuse. Why?

b/c they weren't abused. They were spoiled sociopaths who wanted their inheritance. I think they enjoy the attention b/c they are probably bored in jail. I don't really care enough to watch or go in depth in any re-hashings of the case. Let them rot.

And you know this how? Why not allow all the evidence to be presented (including the neighbors' testimony) & let the jury decide on the validity (or lack thereof) of the abuse theory?

Abuse allegations are only admissible during the trial if the abuse was the reason for the crime AT THAT MOMENT. If, as a result of the boys being molested, they shot their dad during the act of sex, then abuse allegations are allowed to show self defense. That wasn't what happened in this case.

This is what's wrong with our judicial system I do not understand how this type of evidence can be overlooked. I understand that there is this law but I don't agree with how it's applied. I know it's football in more than one state

[Anonymous]

Football = the law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reading the recent news outlets discuss the case.
Any new ideas on this, ladies?
I was a teen when this all went down and I remember the years of Menendez Brothers in our vernacular.

Here's what I don't get: their second trial, the one that resulted in a conviction; that judge did not allow in evidence the many neighbors teatimony about possible abuse. Why?

b/c they weren't abused. They were spoiled sociopaths who wanted their inheritance. I think they enjoy the attention b/c they are probably bored in jail. I don't really care enough to watch or go in depth in any re-hashings of the case. Let them rot.

And you know this how? Why not allow all the evidence to be presented (including the neighbors' testimony) & let the jury decide on the validity (or lack thereof) of the abuse theory?

Abuse allegations are only admissible during the trial if the abuse was the reason for the crime AT THAT MOMENT. If, as a result of the boys being molested, they shot their dad during the act of sex, then abuse allegations are allowed to show self defense. That wasn't what happened in this case.

This is what's wrong with our judicial system I do not understand how this type of evidence can be overlooked. I understand that there is this law but I don't agree with how it's applied. I know it's football in more than one state

Well there is a difference between killing someone who is attempting to do you physical harm and killing someone because they harmed you in the past and now you really, really despise them.

In one situation you are protecting yourself, in the other situation you are exacting revenge which is a crime. If you kill someone that you don't like to get their money - even if you have legitimate reason to absolutely despise them - that is a crime.

I think that the alleged abuse would be more of a mitigating factor during sentencing than an exoneration of the crime committed.