9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project

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Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

My oldest two are STEM kids. My firstborn could code well at that age. He would probably forget it at school - the kid forgot EVERYHING...takes after his Dad

My daughter (middle) won the STEM award for her school. She's diligent to a fault.

My point is I think that nice little kid is being used by CAIR. Not the first time kids are used - at least no one is wiring him up! . That said, I think he should take advantage of the MIT visit and White House tour!

onky to the extent that the toy gun kids are being used by the GOP.

Toy guns? A kid was suspended for throwing an imaginary grenade in an imaginary box full of imaginary bad guys. You don't HAVE to exploit that - it speaks for itself...along with pop-tart guns and tiny little LEGO guns.

Somehow I don't recall pop tart kid being arrested. And unless you support the arrest of pop tart kid, it has no bearing on whether this boy and his clock should receive that kind of treatment. The whole "where's the outrage" thing is a useless point. There was plenty of outrage but it's more a matter for the PTA than a political board.

You don't recall cops being involved in some of these ridiculous incidents? Do a bit of searching. And for kids who are little - elementary age!!

Not pop tart kid. If you would like to cite an example, we can discuss whether it was appropriate or not, just like we are doing here.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, Matthews made some good points.

I know!! I found myself agreeing with him!

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Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

My oldest two are STEM kids. My firstborn could code well at that age. He would probably forget it at school - the kid forgot EVERYHING...takes after his Dad

My daughter (middle) won the STEM award for her school. She's diligent to a fault.

My point is I think that nice little kid is being used by CAIR. Not the first time kids are used - at least no one is wiring him up! . That said, I think he should take advantage of the MIT visit and White House tour!

onky to the extent that the toy gun kids are being used by the GOP.

Toy guns? A kid was suspended for throwing an imaginary grenade in an imaginary box full of imaginary bad guys. You don't HAVE to exploit that - it speaks for itself...along with pop-tart guns and tiny little LEGO guns.

Somehow I don't recall pop tart kid being arrested. And unless you support the arrest of pop tart kid, it has no bearing on whether this boy and his clock should receive that kind of treatment. The whole "where's the outrage" thing is a useless point. There was plenty of outrage but it's more a matter for the PTA than a political board.

You don't recall cops being involved in some of these ridiculous incidents? Do a bit of searching. And for kids who are little - elementary age!!

Not pop tart kid. If you would like to cite an example, we can discuss whether it was appropriate or not, just like we are doing here.

The kid in TX was not arrested by the way. He was detained. Detaining can involve handcuffs. When someone is arrested, they are usually charged with a crime. The TX boy was not. He was detained and questioned, which can be done to determine if he was a safety risk.

Mother of Va. boy who was arrested over toy gun criticizes case’s handling:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/mother-of-va-boy-who-was-arrested-over-toy-gun-criticizes-cases-handling/2013/02/17/02c0bf6e-7704-11e2-95e4-6148e45d7adb_story.html

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If you are cuffed, you are arrested.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arrest-vs-detention-how-tell-whether-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

Also they did book him, fingerprint him, and take his mug shot.

Also,
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/ask-cop-112/81879-detained-vs-arrested.html

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Anonymous wrote:If you are cuffed, you are arrested.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arrest-vs-detention-how-tell-whether-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

Also they did book him, fingerprint him, and take his mug shot.

Also,
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/ask-cop-112/81879-detained-vs-arrested.html

Police said he was detained. He was not charged. There is controversy surrounding the concept of detained vs. arrested. Most agree that when you are arrested, there's enough evidence/information to officially charge you.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting Bill Maher video with a panel. Apparently the kid took this clock to six different teachers before the sh*t hit the fan?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-guests-on-ahmed-mohamed-be-cautious-when-young-muslims-are-blowing-sht-up/

That was second-hand information as Cuban repeatedly stated. It contradicts first-hand information and is not supported by any public account.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting Bill Maher video with a panel. Apparently the kid took this clock to six different teachers before the sh*t hit the fan?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-guests-on-ahmed-mohamed-be-cautious-when-young-muslims-are-blowing-sht-up/

That was second-hand information as Cuban repeatedly stated. It contradicts first-hand information and is not supported by any public account.

When combined with his father's activism and the immediate appearance of CAIR, I'm inclined to say there is merit to the second-hand source.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting Bill Maher video with a panel. Apparently the kid took this clock to six different teachers before the sh*t hit the fan?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-guests-on-ahmed-mohamed-be-cautious-when-young-muslims-are-blowing-sht-up/

That was second-hand information as Cuban repeatedly stated. It contradicts first-hand information and is not supported by any public account.

When combined with his father's activism and the immediate appearance of CAIR, I'm inclined to say there is merit to the second-hand source.

You are inclined to give merit to anything negative towards Muslims. There is literally nothing negative about Muslims that you are not inclined to agree with.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are cuffed, you are arrested.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arrest-vs-detention-how-tell-whether-you-ve-been-arrested-simply-detained.html

Also they did book him, fingerprint him, and take his mug shot.

Also,
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/ask-cop-112/81879-detained-vs-arrested.html

Police said he was detained. He was not charged. There is controversy surrounding the concept of detained vs. arrested. Most agree that when you are arrested, there's enough evidence/information to officially charge you.

Still he was arrested. Even if he wasn't charged and regardless of what they say.

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+1. A suspect isn't booked or fingerprinted unless there has been an arrest. The fact charges aren't filed by a prosecutor is irrelevant. A prosecutor has discretion to refer the matter to a grand jury for the purpose of determining which charges, if any, should be included in an indictment.

[Anonymous]

I wonder why the media does not put out the other side of the story-a school official stated that it was frustrating as they are sort of gagged unless daddy Mohammed gives consent for them to explain their version of the events. Interesting-If you look at the schools website-you can see the staff who are English teachers-there is about 2 black, 1 white and 1 Hispanic teaching English 1 (which I assume this Freshman kid is in)-It would mess up the medias agenda if the Black teacher was the one accusing the kid/calling police. It makes one wonder who the actual players were in all this-also I think the engineering teacher is Hispanic. The media just show you the shit they want you to hear-so their agenda can be promoted.

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They also portray his little "briefcase" in the interview with him as a colorful-child like space themed hologramed case-using an Amazon ad-a case a 5 year old might like or use. But the clock was actually in a black case which certainly looked more suspicious and sinister than the one the media shows! Do your detective work and read between the lines-use your brains!!!!

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Our beloved clock kid also has about 3-4 go fund me/crowd funding sites-one with a goal of 100,000, recieved a ton of high end computer equipment from Microsoft, and countless other opportunities and financial benefits.

None of the white, black or Hispanic kids who were "wrongfully" arrested/detained/suspended from school were given a dam thing-why?????

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting Bill Maher video with a panel. Apparently the kid took this clock to six different teachers before the sh*t hit the fan?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-guests-on-ahmed-mohamed-be-cautious-when-young-muslims-are-blowing-sht-up/

That was second-hand information as Cuban repeatedly stated. It contradicts first-hand information and is not supported by any public account.

When combined with his father's activism and the immediate appearance of CAIR, I'm inclined to say there is merit to the second-hand source.

You are inclined to give merit to anything negative towards Muslims. There is literally nothing negative about Muslims that you are not inclined to agree with.

I'm inclined to look at everything surrounding an incident and see if there's any merit. I don't think it's an accident that the father is a very prominent activist and that Cair got involved so quickly. When you listen to the boy talk about 'the cause', etc, it stinks even more.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why the media does not put out the other side of the story-a school official stated that it was frustrating as they are sort of gagged unless daddy Mohammed gives consent for them to explain their version of the events. Interesting-If you look at the schools website-you can see the staff who are English teachers-there is about 2 black, 1 white and 1 Hispanic teaching English 1 (which I assume this Freshman kid is in)-It would mess up the medias agenda if the Black teacher was the one accusing the kid/calling police. It makes one wonder who the actual players were in all this-also I think the engineering teacher is Hispanic. The media just show you the shit they want you to hear-so their agenda can be promoted.

Exactly. When one side is essentially gagged like that, it's even more suspicious.