So what happens when the Federal government can’t issue Nov Food Stamps?

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

It doesn’t take a diploma or a high IQ to see that that children are expensive and limit work options and you shouldn't have them with no plan. Birth control is free.

If you finish high school, become employed, and get married before becoming a parent there is over a 90% chance that child will not be born into poverty.

Cool. These are your voters now. Good luck with that.

I’m not a politician - they are not “my” anything. The point is that the “choices available to them” (mentioned in the prior post) include not having kids they can’t feed. If they won’t listen to reason I’m not sure anything can be done about it.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

Why they are poor is irrelevant. Someone poor can boil a potato and scramble an egg, just the same as anyone else. Poor people all over the world cook food. The inability (or unwillingness) to cook and having the preference for processed foods is an American cultural problem- particularly with increased prevalence in lower income households.

Let's be honest though. It's a developed world problem. The US is just the most developed country. The same pattern is increasingly happening in other countries. The issue comes down to status. Cooking for yourself is often seen as low status.

And let's be even more honest. Processed food tastes good because it's loaded with salt, sugar and fats. It's easy and addicting. For some it's a simple luxury that makes them feel better in a world where the poor don't get many opportunities to do so. TV and the social media function in much the same way.

That also explains why recent immigrant families don't fall into the trap of convenience foods. They know they are sacrificing from the start.

That being said. There is no greater bang for the buck than a baked potato. Put some beans and cheese on it and it fulfills almost all our intake needs. It can even be made in a microwave. However it's very boring.

The issue is that people use food as an escape from the drudgery. A baked potato with a can of beans costs less than $2 and is enough calories/protein to sustain at least an entire day but eating that is depressing and reminds people how crappy their life is. That's the problem. If sacrifice doesn't produce results then why should someone sacrifice.

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Hopefully the Democrats stop whining and moaning and actually pass the Republican budget now they realize there are actual consequences for their tantrum.

It’s ironic that we have Trump and republicans fighting like hell to save food stamps, social security, Obamacare, and other programs that democrats claimed they wanted to defund, and it’s democrats themselves that are working to abolish these programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the Democrats stop whining and moaning and actually pass the Republican budget now they realize there are actual consequences for their tantrum.

It’s ironic that we have Trump and republicans fighting like hell to save food stamps, social security, Obamacare, and other programs that democrats claimed they wanted to defund, and it’s democrats themselves that are working to abolish these programs.

Lol. Nobody here is stupid enough to believe your bull.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the Democrats stop whining and moaning and actually pass the Republican budget now they realize there are actual consequences for their tantrum.

It’s ironic that we have Trump and republicans fighting like hell to save food stamps, social security, Obamacare, and other programs that democrats claimed they wanted to defund, and it’s democrats themselves that are working to abolish these programs.

Try again. Trump is purposely blocking legal funds that can be used to pay for snap in November. SNAP has billions in carryover funds and some tariff revenues can be used like he already did for WIC.

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

WTH?

Washington DC has to do something to live your life correctly?

Just go, will ya?

Why are you so angry?

You are arguing that people who live below the poverty line should be making applesauce instead of buying chips. Presumably this is the MAGA policy position. So how is the Republican Party advancing this desired goal?

Two different posters. I’m the one who suggested making applesauce. Pretty much every has an internet enabled phone now to be at recipe ideas. I am not a republican. I did used to be poor and I somehow managed to feed myself without eating a bunch of processed crap. I didn’t have kids yet but I did know some families during that time and I saw a lot of stews over rice, buying cheap cuts of meat on sale and freezing them, frozen veggies etc.

Also someone above is talking about a baked potato as a sad meal and I have to say, I make good money now and I love a good baked potato. I have one for lunch not infrequently. You can get a 10 pound bag of russet potatoes from Aldi for 5

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

The GOP?



When did they ever want to feed people?

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

WTH?

Washington DC has to do something to live your life correctly?

Just go, will ya?

Why are you so angry?

You are arguing that people who live below the poverty line should be making applesauce instead of buying chips. Presumably this is the MAGA policy position. So how is the Republican Party advancing this desired goal?

By kicking them off of SNAP and cutting the classes that taught them how to make applesauce. They may not learn how to make applesauce but they won't be buying chips either.

Amazing how according to democrats, everyone is poor and can't afford anything and yet everyone has a cell phone, a flat screen Tv and a happy meal.

We have subsidies for clothing, housing, transportation, edumacation, food, health care, and everything else under the sun. But please, continue to poor-mouth us.

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Anonymous wrote:Food Stamps (SNAP benefits) can’t be paid out if Congress does not appropriate funds for November.

What will happen if 40+ million people don’t get food stamps about 10 days from now? Total monthly benefits are just under $8 billlion.

Crime will go up. Desperate people do desperate things. Stay safe.

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How infantile do you have to be not to set aside a small percentage of your income for emergencies. I'm not saying 50%. But 2% - 3% for a rainy day.

Enough of this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:How infantile do you have to be not to set aside a small percentage of your income for emergencies. I'm not saying 50%. But 2% - 3% for a rainy day.

Enough of this nonsense.

Absolutely. It’s going to be tough for all of those folks in Texas and Florida who will be most negatively affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the Democrats stop whining and moaning and actually pass the Republican budget now they realize there are actual consequences for their tantrum.

It’s ironic that we have Trump and republicans fighting like hell to save food stamps, social security, Obamacare, and other programs that democrats claimed they wanted to defund, and it’s democrats themselves that are working to abolish these programs.

Try again. Trump is purposely blocking legal funds that can be used to pay for snap in November. SNAP has billions in carryover funds and some tariff revenues can be used like he already did for WIC.

That money is better spent paying the salaries of the American Military and the brave ICE agents currently risking their lives protecting the men and women of our country and combating the insurgency of Antifa.

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Anonymous wrote:Food Stamps (SNAP benefits) can’t be paid out if Congress does not appropriate funds for November.

What will happen if 40+ million people don’t get food stamps about 10 days from now? Total monthly benefits are just under $8 billlion.

What happen? We, as democrats, need to stand by our ideas and share our wealth with poor. Let each of us adopt 5 people to feed, house and support through these difficult times. Buy them a health insurance too. Let show MAGA that we really care about Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the Democrats stop whining and moaning and actually pass the Republican budget now they realize there are actual consequences for their tantrum.

It’s ironic that we have Trump and republicans fighting like hell to save food stamps, social security, Obamacare, and other programs that democrats claimed they wanted to defund, and it’s democrats themselves that are working to abolish these programs.

Try again. Trump is purposely blocking legal funds that can be used to pay for snap in November. SNAP has billions in carryover funds and some tariff revenues can be used like he already did for WIC.

That money is better spent paying the salaries of the American Military and the brave ICE agents currently risking their lives protecting the men and women of our country and combating the insurgency of Antifa.

I know. How dare those antifascists protest fascism?

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Anonymous wrote:Whether or not you think people receiving SNAP are moochers or not, humans will tolerate hunger for only a few days before getting violent. You will rob and even kill to provide food for your children.

If 40,000,000 Americans start starving in the next 3 weeks, I expect going to the grocery store will be a dicey proposition. People Will be waiting out in the parking lot to beat the piss out of you or rob you at gun point to take your groceries while you are loading the car. Or expect mass rioting and looting of stores for food. You will see homes broken into by people looking for food.

LOL, if you have the energy to rob and kill, you can get a job. F the moochers.

SNAP has work requirements. Unless you're the parent and caretaker of a young child, or so disabled a doctor certifies that you can't work, the maximum amount of time an adult can get food stamps without working is 3 months within a 3 year period. These people mostly have jobs.