Second round options for Woodward boundary study

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I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

We don't want our kids bused. We want them to have what they need at their schools. Better is subjective.

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

Exactly. Keep the DCC. The regional programming changes are poorly thought out and frankly entirely unfair (putting criteria based magnets in richer schools and then giving those schools reserved seats in them?! WTF.)

Perfect solution. The current model has kids bussed very far away for only a few slots. This benefits no one and low income may not have transportation back and forth.

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

Exactly. Keep the DCC. The regional programming changes are poorly thought out and frankly entirely unfair (putting criteria based magnets in richer schools and then giving those schools reserved seats in them?! WTF.)

DCC is a poor idea.

Giving fixed seats for home schools in regional program is also a poor idea.

Families are HAPPY with the DCC and like the DCC. Its one of the few good things in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

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It's just ridiculous to have that in regional model. Any kid in region should have equal chance to get a seat in regional program and it should have nothing to do with if they get lucky with home school having some specific program. Entire region should be at equal footings.

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

Exactly. Keep the DCC. The regional programming changes are poorly thought out and frankly entirely unfair (putting criteria based magnets in richer schools and then giving those schools reserved seats in them?! WTF.)

DCC is a poor idea.

Giving fixed seats for home schools in regional program is also a poor idea.

Families are HAPPY with the DCC and like the DCC. Its one of the few good things in MCPS.

Families who are able to win the lottery are happy but families who are left behind are not happy with this. Some stronger reputation schools attract more kids and some poor reputation schools loses stronger stundents. It becomes a self-feeding cycle. It creates lots of negative for some home schools and opposite of equity talk by MCPS.

[Anonymous]

I agree with abiove posters.

DCC and reserved seats in home schools, both are poor ideas. Both ideas benefit selected few and unfair to many others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

+100

It's just ridiculous to have that in regional model. Any kid in region should have equal chance to get a seat in regional program and it should have nothing to do with if they get lucky with home school having some specific program. Entire region should be at equal footings.

I wonder if this reservation system has to do with MCPS trying to figure out transportation routes/capacity in the new regions/regional programming. This is the weakest link in an initiative full of weak links.

It will spell disaster for the community. Here is a look at what happened at Thomas Taylor's last school district, which was left to pick up the pieces after he introduced regional programming at the school districts FOUR high schools, and then left to take the job with MCPS. Now imagine what will happen in a school district the size of MCPS.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/thousands-of-students-without-a-bus-route-in-stafford-county

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

+100

It's just ridiculous to have that in regional model. Any kid in region should have equal chance to get a seat in regional program and it should have nothing to do with if they get lucky with home school having some specific program. Entire region should be at equal footings.

I wonder if this reservation system has to do with MCPS trying to figure out transportation routes/capacity in the new regions/regional programming. This is the weakest link in an initiative full of weak links.

It will spell disaster for the community. Here is a look at what happened at Thomas Taylor's last school district, which was left to pick up the pieces after he introduced regional programming at the school districts FOUR high schools, and then left to take the job with MCPS. Now imagine what will happen in a school district the size of MCPS.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/thousands-of-students-without-a-bus-route-in-stafford-county

Whatever be the reaosn, I don't like to see reserve for this or reserve for that. All kids should be at equal footings when it cmes to getting a seat. kids are not chosing which program gets assigned to specific school. They shouldn't be penalized for program not being in their home shcool. I am in RM cluster and I never liked the idea of RM kids getting resrved seat in RM IB magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

+100

It's just ridiculous to have that in regional model. Any kid in region should have equal chance to get a seat in regional program and it should have nothing to do with if they get lucky with home school having some specific program. Entire region should be at equal footings.

Has MCPS said somewhere that they want to do it that way? I’ve seen posters here saying they heard the plan was to give 30% of seats to students already at the school, but is that in writing, or from a previous meeting?

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

Exactly. Keep the DCC. The regional programming changes are poorly thought out and frankly entirely unfair (putting criteria based magnets in richer schools and then giving those schools reserved seats in them?! WTF.)

DCC is a poor idea.

Giving fixed seats for home schools in regional program is also a poor idea.

Families are HAPPY with the DCC and like the DCC. Its one of the few good things in MCPS.

Families who are able to win the lottery are happy but families who are left behind are not happy with this. Some stronger reputation schools attract more kids and some poor reputation schools loses stronger stundents. It becomes a self-feeding cycle. It creates lots of negative for some home schools and opposite of equity talk by MCPS.

True but it’s better than nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I like option B. Balances everyone needs. Just go with that one. option B = option best.

B and C are the wacky ones for us, but I get that this is super local.

We were untouched by the first boundary study.

DCC family here. C is best for us personally, B is worst, A and D are in the middle. But I don't want us DCC families to get stuck fighting against each other on which one is worst for our particular neighborhood, while the richer schools just get almost everything they want. These options are rigged.

They aready have everything. Instead of funding the schools who have less to have more they are shuffling everyone.

Schools get the same funding per student except for title 1 schools who get more.

Exactly and it should be based on need as the dcc schools have more kids struggling and the resources go to catch them up and help them and with one pot of money the principal’s have to make choices and the more academic kids lose out as the other kids have more needs to get them to graduate.

And yet even those extra resources don’t appear to be enough to move the needle on those kids who are struggling.

The problem is by the time you do catch up in MS or HS, its too late. They need to allocate far more resources in elementary schools to make sure every child who can be is on grade level. Do real evaluations, remediate any disabilities or SN with supports, therapies and reading teachers, have a better curriculum, and bring back the free online tutoring. By the time you get to high school, often its too late as these kids are struggling and have low self esteem and hate school.

Do you have any idea how expensive that is? There is neither the budget nor the political will do this. Sorry. And all of those “miracle” schools and programs like KIPP or in movies like “Waiting for Superman” are just cream skimming or culling through suspensions or sometimes outright kicking kids out to make the numbers look good. There are no easy fixes. And you’re right, those kids are cooked by that point.

There are already so many more resources poured into farms schools.

You are completely diminishing inputs such as the education level of the mother.

No, there aren’t. The funding goes into resource classes and other things. The smarter high performing kids equal to yours get very little.

Yeah. That isn’t good. Maybe we should give those higher performing kids options to attend better schools. You know like some of programs we already have. That certainly seems to be a better and more affordable option for MCPS than trying to make all the resource and curriculum options the same, especially if they’re going to be underutilized.

Exactly. Keep the DCC. The regional programming changes are poorly thought out and frankly entirely unfair (putting criteria based magnets in richer schools and then giving those schools reserved seats in them?! WTF.)

DCC is a poor idea.

Giving fixed seats for home schools in regional program is also a poor idea.

Families are HAPPY with the DCC and like the DCC. Its one of the few good things in MCPS.

Families who are able to win the lottery are happy but families who are left behind are not happy with this. Some stronger reputation schools attract more kids and some poor reputation schools loses stronger stundents. It becomes a self-feeding cycle. It creates lots of negative for some home schools and opposite of equity talk by MCPS.

Correct

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Anonymous wrote:I perosnally don't get the logic of reserving seats for home school. It puts kids from other schools at disadvantage. No one should have reserved seats.

+100

It's just ridiculous to have that in regional model. Any kid in region should have equal chance to get a seat in regional program and it should have nothing to do with if they get lucky with home school having some specific program. Entire region should be at equal footings.

I wonder if this reservation system has to do with MCPS trying to figure out transportation routes/capacity in the new regions/regional programming. This is the weakest link in an initiative full of weak links.

It will spell disaster for the community. Here is a look at what happened at Thomas Taylor's last school district, which was left to pick up the pieces after he introduced regional programming at the school districts FOUR high schools, and then left to take the job with MCPS. Now imagine what will happen in a school district the size of MCPS.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/thousands-of-students-without-a-bus-route-in-stafford-county

Whatever be the reaosn, I don't like to see reserve for this or reserve for that. All kids should be at equal footings when it cmes to getting a seat. kids are not chosing which program gets assigned to specific school. They shouldn't be penalized for program not being in their home shcool. I am in RM cluster and I never liked the idea of RM kids getting resrved seat in RM IB magnet.

Oh wow I didn’t know that about RMIB, that’s terrible. That could be fixed next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with abiove posters.

DCC and reserved seats in home schools, both are poor ideas. Both ideas benefit selected few and unfair to many others.

DCC makes sense if they will not offer advanced classes at all schools. At least we could cosa to another school.