The amount of people living subsidized by their parents is astounding

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.




But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


Nope. In my culture, assets and resources flow down to the next generation. Hands on logistical eldercare can certainly be provided if needed but kids should not be paying for the elderly's retirement. They should be building on the wealth and opportunities we provide them to take care of their own kids and build/maintain wealth.


Well, that's the point. These kids won't have any assets and resources to flow to their own kids because they are sucking their parents dry and working lifestyle jobs.

Maybe 25% of the stories involved kids with generation wealth and/or parents were almost making a true "investment" in their kids. One example were parents providing their kid $100k to start their own medical practice.


An essential part of the strategy is raising kids with financial acumen and a work ethic. You have to instill the value of contributing to the nest egg and improving the next generation's inheritance


Improving the next generation’s inheritance is not a good motivator because a sure way to do it is to have fewer kids.


+1. Many will have only one child or none. Can't blame them with the current outlook and climate change.


Climate change is nothing compared to nuclear war that we had to worry about 40 years ago.


The threat of nuclear war is greater now with Trump in office.


That’s true. I wonder if Trump would even give the order to retaliate if Russia launched a first strike?


Oh, God. Stomach churning thought.
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I don't know why me wanting to share my wealth with my kids - my family - is such a terrible thing? It's not like they aren't responsible and working. It's called a gift. Happens to be money but it's a gift. And it's a gift I have which I'm choosing to give. I bet if everyone did this for their families aka took care of them to ensure their welfare - the world would be a happier place. This is totally different than laying on your lazy ass and taking free money from me.

I grew up pretty well off never needing to work yet I chose to work and I chose to take responsibility for my own lifestyle. My parents never had to force me into a "learn to be scrappy" lifestyle as PPs say is the right way to raise kids. You can't really teach that kind of self respect - you are going to be a stand up person or you are not. That's something you have to choose to be all on your own. Money has nothing to do with whether you are kind or not.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.



But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


That's the tough part. My BIL and his wife have intentionally both taken steps back in their careers - one works part-time purely for health insurance, the other is a SAHP. They got a sizable inheritance and while I don't know the full details, I've heard its enough that if they live modestly, they don't need to worry about working full time. And I believe college is already fully funded for both of their young kids. I wonder how they'll explain it to their kids - and why this is not a realistic outcome for them to expect.


What to explain? Sounds like they both are spending more time with their family and kids. Always a good thing, as long as you can pay the bills
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone that claims to be wealthy, why is everyone so clueless on how inheritance/gift taxes work?

You aren't limited to $18k per year...you are limited to almost $14MM (for single person, $28MM for a married couple estate) in lifetime inheritance under current federal tax rules.

Whatever you are gifted each year is counted towards that $14MM/$28MM, but the giver only pays a tax on any gifts that exceed the lifetime exclusion.

You have to report any amounts given above $18k to the IRS, but you don't pay any tax on the excess until you hit the lifetime exclusion.



Yes most are well aware of that. Some of us live in states where the estate tax starts at $2m or so. Also some of us are/will be worth more than the 14M *2 so we need to plan. And a simple part of it is to gift the max yearly. $38K to each kid and same to their spouses. They get the money now when it matters more and we help avoid estate taxes at death


.06% of the population have an estate worth $28MM+.

If it matters more for them to have the money now, then give them $1MM now (which in theory reduces the estate that will pass on death).

Do you think it matters much if they have to pay some tax on the excess above $28MM when you die?


Okay, but many, many people have estates more than the state exemptions. Maryland is currently 5M per person and proposals are on the table to reduce it to 2M.


Ok...again, they are paying taxes above $5MM or $2MM and if your kids need the money now vs. when they are 60+, isn't it better to give them say $1.9MM today (which again, lowers the value of the ultimate estate)? Also, if estate and inheritance taxes matter so much and you are this wealthy...wouldn't you obtain residence in a state that doesn't have these taxes? That seems like an absolute no-brainer.


I don't know why you are having such a hard time with this. My spouse and I can give my child and his spouse 76k/year and preserve 100% of our future estate tax exemption for growth in our estates. We don't have to give larger amounts because our circumstances may change and we may need our own millions for our nursing homes, but in the meantime, annual exclusion giving allows the next generation to fully max their own 401k and retirement savings. This is a flexible generational wealth strategy that doesn't lock things up in a trust or commit you to a certain strategy. If we have higher expenses or a crappy market, we can just skip a year of exclusion giving.


I'm not having a hard time with this whatsoever...but it sounds like you aren't as wealthy as you want anyone to believe. I guess I just find it comical that people talk about giving money to their kids when they "need it"...but don't give any real money to their kids when they need it.

You certainly don't sound like someone at risk of blowing through the $28MM lifetime exclusion if you think you will run out of money just to pay for a nursing home.


DP. It sounds like pp is wealthy enough to gift their child and spouse $76k a year while having millions saved for their own retirement. It doesn't sound like their child needs an infusion of $1.9 million now to have a good life. You sound terribly envious.


Exactly!!

No kid "needs " a $1.9M infusion (unless disabled). Most of us gift to supplement their lifestyles. My kids use it to max Roth IRA, contribute high amounts to 401K and save--for future downpayment.

The are fully able to max their Roth and save the company match for 401k and pay all their own bills and still save a little. Because thy have no student loans or car loans and they chose to live within their means (ie an apartment they can actually afford).
But now we gist them so they will have $200K + for a down payment when they are ready.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.



But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


That's the tough part. My BIL and his wife have intentionally both taken steps back in their careers - one works part-time purely for health insurance, the other is a SAHP. They got a sizable inheritance and while I don't know the full details, I've heard its enough that if they live modestly, they don't need to worry about working full time. And I believe college is already fully funded for both of their young kids. I wonder how they'll explain it to their kids - and why this is not a realistic outcome for them to expect.


What to explain? Sounds like they both are spending more time with their family and kids. Always a good thing, as long as you can pay the bills


+1. Also how long did they work before taking that step back? If I inherited enough to do that in my late 40s or early 50s, I'd do it too. I've been working hard and diligently saving for decades. We've sicked away money for retirement and kids' college. We've paid off 2/3 of our mortgage. I'm not a freeloader. But I'd happily move into semi-retirement a decade or so early and just focus on spending time with kids, taking care of my health, and doing bucket list travel and hobbies while time still relatively young.

I'd have zero guilt about that. It's not like being a trust funder who never does anything of value.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, there is always one generation that works very, very hard and then they create the generational wealth for their children.

You should strive to be that generation and provide for your children and future generation. We are immigrants who came with $200 in this country. We lived a life of penury for several years and we worked very hard. Our children will get a leg-up in life from us. Their life will be easier than ours. Hopefully, they have imbibed good values from us and they will add to the generational wealth and they will also raise their kids well. Education and hard work are the keys.


Exactly. Personally, I think it’s fantastic. I see friends who take incredible vacations that their parents are paying for and it becomes a wonderful multigenerational luxury family trip. Those were lifelong memories for the grandchildren. My parents did things like that for us while they could. The biggest generation wealth flex that they currently have is that they can fully afford their old age because they worked so hard and did well. I know a lot of this is privileged and based on your luck, but my grandparents were able to leave my parents in great condition and it was the same for my husband and his parents. Create a trust funds for us, no student loans, helped us with down payments, raised us to know the value of money and how to work hard and build wealth, and help us with flights and assorted other things whenever we visit. We have built upon that wealth and plan to do even better for our children – no student loans, great vacations, and we hope to give them as much financial support in terms of buying houses, school for their kids, vacations, and lifestyle things that we can do to help them. Life is only going to get harder and more crowded and any advantage you can give you children is worth it.
The most important rich person flex you can give them is a super determined drive to work hard and earn a high income so they can do the same for their kids.
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Anonymous wrote:I know one woman who has three daughters aged 24 through 29 all living at home. They all have jobs so I don’t know why they are there. There seems to be a lot of failure to launch syndrome with that generation.


If they have jobs that are commutable from mom's home or totally remote, why wouldn't a kid live at home and save rent? 3-5 years of not paying $2k/month+ for rent is a huge leg up.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.



But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


That's the tough part. My BIL and his wife have intentionally both taken steps back in their careers - one works part-time purely for health insurance, the other is a SAHP. They got a sizable inheritance and while I don't know the full details, I've heard its enough that if they live modestly, they don't need to worry about working full time. And I believe college is already fully funded for both of their young kids. I wonder how they'll explain it to their kids - and why this is not a realistic outcome for them to expect.


What to explain? Sounds like they both are spending more time with their family and kids. Always a good thing, as long as you can pay the bills


+1. Also how long did they work before taking that step back? If I inherited enough to do that in my late 40s or early 50s, I'd do it too. I've been working hard and diligently saving for decades. We've sicked away money for retirement and kids' college. We've paid off 2/3 of our mortgage. I'm not a freeloader. But I'd happily move into semi-retirement a decade or so early and just focus on spending time with kids, taking care of my health, and doing bucket list travel and hobbies while time still relatively young.

I'd have zero guilt about that. It's not like being a trust funder who never does anything of value.


We are retiring mid 50s. Why? Because we can. Life has put us at uhnw and more is likely to come (from investment in private company) whether we work or not. Life is too short to not enjoy it, while you have good health and can hike/travel/explore.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.



But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


That's the tough part. My BIL and his wife have intentionally both taken steps back in their careers - one works part-time purely for health insurance, the other is a SAHP. They got a sizable inheritance and while I don't know the full details, I've heard its enough that if they live modestly, they don't need to worry about working full time. And I believe college is already fully funded for both of their young kids. I wonder how they'll explain it to their kids - and why this is not a realistic outcome for them to expect.


What to explain? Sounds like they both are spending more time with their family and kids. Always a good thing, as long as you can pay the bills


I read it that they have to explain to their kids that there is little to no inheritance for them...so don't expect they can work (and not work) the kinds of jobs they had.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that majorly irks me is when a daycare, or a private school, or a private college, gives financial aid because income doesn't take into account grandparent gifting.

Archived nymag article here. I am sure people will be outraged and delighted.

https://archive.is/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/parents-money-family-wealth-stories.html



The stories are interesting because the vast majority are the cliches everyone talks about. Basically, adults that will never be able to stand on their own two feet...ever.



But, I mean, so what? Every since humanity evolved we've been working together in family groups to take care of each other. Why not continue that human trait?


Huh? Working together in family groups implies older help younger, and younger help older. It's a reciprocal relationship.

These stories, for the most part, are one-way only. What's worse, most of these stories involve children that will sap all the money from their parents, and have done nothing to leave anything to their own children.


That's the tough part. My BIL and his wife have intentionally both taken steps back in their careers - one works part-time purely for health insurance, the other is a SAHP. They got a sizable inheritance and while I don't know the full details, I've heard its enough that if they live modestly, they don't need to worry about working full time. And I believe college is already fully funded for both of their young kids. I wonder how they'll explain it to their kids - and why this is not a realistic outcome for them to expect.


What to explain? Sounds like they both are spending more time with their family and kids. Always a good thing, as long as you can pay the bills


+1. Also how long did they work before taking that step back? If I inherited enough to do that in my late 40s or early 50s, I'd do it too. I've been working hard and diligently saving for decades. We've sicked away money for retirement and kids' college. We've paid off 2/3 of our mortgage. I'm not a freeloader. But I'd happily move into semi-retirement a decade or so early and just focus on spending time with kids, taking care of my health, and doing bucket list travel and hobbies while time still relatively young.

I'd have zero guilt about that. It's not like being a trust funder who never does anything of value.


Early 30's.
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Anonymous wrote:OP & others like them are super jealous. As long people weren’t harmed in obtaining the money, what’s wrong with families helping each other out?

I plan to this for my child and grandchildren. Why would I want them struggle?

OP, do you want your children to struggle like you? Crabs in the barrel mentality is not good.


A bit of adversity in life is a good thing.


I tend to agree. I think it’s such a blessing when people have nice things given to them by their family. But I do think people who have never had any adversity in life whatsoever are just… kind of a different level of character. We have friends whose family paid for their entire house, provide childcare whenever it’s needed, and basically gift money to the point that the female is a SAHM with tons of leisure time and the husband doesn’t need to push in his career at all. Don’t get my wrong. They are lovely, kind people. But the types of conversations you can have with them about the world is just different. There’s no grit there.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are people just now finding this out. Lots of wealthy and even MC people help to pay for their adult children’s college, wedding, downpayment.


It's become more obvious as I've grown up and expanded my social circle. When I was a kid I was more blind to it, at most there would be someone with better toys or nicer house. When you start working and get a better understanding of how much certain jobs pay, what lifestyle each career will afford you, you realize some folks are in another plane of existence. If I see a family who is mid 30's, lives in a house that was purchased 10 years ago in their mid 20's for 7 figures, and they were both in grad school at the time, then you look up their parents and see what their father does... it becomes very clear how they managed obtain that. I knew about rich people more in the abstract when I was younger, when you run into them randomly in person it hits different.
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Well, on the other end of the spectrum, you have my in laws, who are close to the inheritance tax cut off and keep complaining and worrying about that, but who refuse to help in any way shape or form. A few grandkids really struggling with public school. Will they pitch in and help with private? No way. They keep complaining that the grandkids cousins and family units never want to do things together and have little reunions. But will they pay for a nice beach house for all the cousins to make memories in? Nope! Don't even ask what they intend to do with the money.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why me wanting to share my wealth with my kids - my family - is such a terrible thing? It's not like they aren't responsible and working. It's called a gift. Happens to be money but it's a gift. And it's a gift I have which I'm choosing to give. I bet if everyone did this for their families aka took care of them to ensure their welfare - the world would be a happier place. This is totally different than laying on your lazy ass and taking free money from me.

I grew up pretty well off never needing to work yet I chose to work and I chose to take responsibility for my own lifestyle. My parents never had to force me into a "learn to be scrappy" lifestyle as PPs say is the right way to raise kids. You can't really teach that kind of self respect - you are going to be a stand up person or you are not. That's something you have to choose to be all on your own. Money has nothing to do with whether you are kind or not.


I don’t care if you give your money to your kids. I just want your kids to pay taxes on that unearned *income* at the same rate we working stiffs have to pay taxes on our earned *income*.

These tax free handouts to rich brats are a f—king travesty.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are people just now finding this out. Lots of wealthy and even MC people help to pay for their adult children’s college, wedding, downpayment.


It's become more obvious as I've grown up and expanded my social circle. When I was a kid I was more blind to it, at most there would be someone with better toys or nicer house. When you start working and get a better understanding of how much certain jobs pay, what lifestyle each career will afford you, you realize some folks are in another plane of existence. If I see a family who is mid 30's, lives in a house that was purchased 10 years ago in their mid 20's for 7 figures, and they were both in grad school at the time, then you look up their parents and see what their father does... it becomes very clear how they managed obtain that. I knew about rich people more in the abstract when I was younger, when you run into them randomly in person it hits different.


The difference becomes really apparent once weddings and grandkids come into the picture. There is suddenly a need to have more space, more spending, coupled with a desire to pull back in career, etc. That's when you see the house purchase, the full time nanny, the kids programs, the family vacations, the schooling. And that's where an extra $2-4K a month really starts to make a huge difference.
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