NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Biden’s top advisor shot this rumor down to the press this morning. Look it up yourself.

So will it be this evening or tomorrow that Biden announces his withdrawal?

No, he’s staying in the race. “Shot the rumor down” means discredited the rumor and contradicted it.

Yes. He firmly said that Biden is not withdrawing, this morning. So I'm wondering whether Biden will make his withdrawal announcement tonight or on Saturday. Possibly Sunday?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

Of all the things about this situation, the unfounded hate against Dr. Biden is one of the weirdest. Like if you thought you were keeping your general misogyny to yourself, the way you guys are losing your crap over her shows everyone how much you hate women.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden’s top advisor shot this rumor down to the press this morning. Look it up yourself.

So will it be this evening or tomorrow that Biden announces his withdrawal?

No, he’s staying in the race. “Shot the rumor down” means discredited the rumor and contradicted it.

They are too acclimated to the Trump approach of "denied X" but then it turns out X was true.

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Anonymous wrote:other than bashing Trump, does the Democrat party have an agenda, platform, or vision?

I would like to hear somebody lay that out without saying anything negative about Trump. I bet you can't do it.

There is no plan from the Dem donor class. It will be sheer chaos on the convention floor:

AOC describes it in her IG Live broadcast last night:

“If you think that’s going to be an easy transition, I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class, a huge amount of these elites, a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that I see that are pushing for President Biden to not be the nominee also are not interested in seeing the vice president be the nominee,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

The New York congresswoman warned, “mind you, if you have an open convention, the convention could then go on for days, if you have a bunch of nominees” and that “the legal problems start to mount” in that scenario. She continued, “I am concerned about the lack of thought that I have seen from the individuals that would be responsible for executing on this.”

“I’m not here to tell you, like, (the) polling is amazing,” Ocasio-Cortez conceded, adding, “there is no safe option.”

Earlier, she acknowledged, “I’m not here to tell you if Joe Biden is the nominee, he’s definitely going to win.”

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-rnc-07-19-24#h_eccf6c43bdb17da21898ccb2cb906ee8

The Democrats are so dead. It sounds like AOC is basically trying to sabotage them. does she want the nomination herself? it will be fascinating to see what historians and political scientists write about this years from now. Possible narratives:
1. the pendulum swung too far to the left, and it had to swing back at some point
2. the Democrat party was taken over by leftists, and when the chips were down, they did not care about the country OR the Democrat party, but just themselves.

Ah yes, Joe Biden the far leftist in the White House.

I think AOC is just describing the reality of what she's hearing - the big money does not want Harris. They want a messy open floor fight for which there do not appear to be clear DNC rules. It will only further cement the "Democrats in disarray" and help Trump - of all people! - to look like the stable and non-chaotic candidate.

Swing voters don't want chaos. And elite Democrats insist on serving it up by the bucket.

what would the elite donors' end goal be here to have a chaotic DNC? Not following what purpose that serves for them.

I think the donors in general are a bit too anxious and data -driven . They refuse to see beyond the polls but everyone has bad polling weeks including winning candidates and Biden was similarly losing polls during the summer of 2020 after the BLM protests . AOC’s point is a valuable one that we still have plenty of time from now until November but the party and donors are freaking out because of polling.

Also, every Democratic politician (except for possibly AOC?) has been flooded with messages from their voters that they want Biden to step down.

Democrats are listening to the people. It's not the other way around.

AOC makes a valid point. She is saying the elites don’t want the obvious choice-the VP. They essentially want to dump the sitting Pres AND VP in favor of an open primary weeks away from the actual convention. That’s such a chaotic mess but it’s what the party operatives want . The DNC is in disarray .

My point is by making it ALL about Trump the boogeyman , the DNC is similarly setting itself up for failure in 2028. The most successful campaigns are not opposition warfare but provide optimism and hope and an actual substantive unifying platform and message. I am not sure what that is for the Democrats because they haven’t communicated that whatsoever .

With Obama in 08, he got my vote and the vote of the party because he promised to the end the war in Iraq, find OBL, and fix the economy, pass healthcare , provide banking reform and bailouts for the auto industry and mortgage crisis . He wasn’t perfect but he did most of these things in his first term .

I am not sure what Biden plans to do for us in the next four years . “Restoring democracy” and “saving the soul of America” are vague empty terms and not policy driven at all. The Dems need to stop meaningless rhetoric and get serious about what they plan for us as Americans . What do they dream to accomplish? Is gun control on that list because I don’t hear them talk about it? All I hear is Trump Trump Trump 24/7

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

People like you keep saying over and over "failing mental capacity" yet he does not meet the criteria for early Parkinsons, he is sharper than Trump on issues, unlike Trump he isn't hampered and constrained by a 5th grade vocabulary (compare video of Trump talking 20 years ao to today, it's night and day), unlike Trump he is far more able to stay focused and complete his thoughts without going off on an incoherent 5 minute ramble about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or some other nonsense, he is far more truthful and fact based, whereas Trump just makes up whatever "alternative facts" he wants to suit him... and when Trump tries to talk policy it all just devolves into his generic, repetetive "tremendous" and "like people have never seen before" handwaving and bullshit because that's his go-to when his brain fails. If you want to talk about failing mental capacity your focus should be on Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

People like you keep saying over and over "failing mental capacity" yet he does not meet the criteria for early Parkinsons, he is sharper than Trump on issues, unlike Trump he isn't hampered and constrained by a 5th grade vocabulary (compare video of Trump talking 20 years ao to today, it's night and day), unlike Trump he is far more able to stay focused and complete his thoughts without going off on an incoherent 5 minute ramble about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or some other nonsense, he is far more truthful and fact based, whereas Trump just makes up whatever "alternative facts" he wants to suit him... and when Trump tries to talk policy it all just devolves into his generic, repetetive "tremendous" and "like people have never seen before" handwaving and bullshit because that's his go-to when his brain fails. If you want to talk about failing mental capacity your focus should be on Trump.

+1 there is absolutely ZERO credible proof of Parkinsons or any other debilitating condition. His health records have been consistently released. the Parkinsons thing came from media misinterpreting the neurologist who came to the white house to run tests on Biden and treat other people like joint chiefs, who are located in the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

People like you keep saying over and over "failing mental capacity" yet he does not meet the criteria for early Parkinsons, he is sharper than Trump on issues, unlike Trump he isn't hampered and constrained by a 5th grade vocabulary (compare video of Trump talking 20 years ao to today, it's night and day), unlike Trump he is far more able to stay focused and complete his thoughts without going off on an incoherent 5 minute ramble about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or some other nonsense, he is far more truthful and fact based, whereas Trump just makes up whatever "alternative facts" he wants to suit him... and when Trump tries to talk policy it all just devolves into his generic, repetetive "tremendous" and "like people have never seen before" handwaving and bullshit because that's his go-to when his brain fails. If you want to talk about failing mental capacity your focus should be on Trump.

+1 there is absolutely ZERO credible proof of Parkinsons or any other debilitating condition. His health records have been consistently released. the Parkinsons thing came from media misinterpreting the neurologist who came to the white house to run tests on Biden and treat other people like joint chiefs, who are located in the White House.

It came from our eyes and our personal experience. (Are you saying that the joint chiefs have Parkinson's?)

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

People like you keep saying over and over "failing mental capacity" yet he does not meet the criteria for early Parkinsons, he is sharper than Trump on issues, unlike Trump he isn't hampered and constrained by a 5th grade vocabulary (compare video of Trump talking 20 years ao to today, it's night and day), unlike Trump he is far more able to stay focused and complete his thoughts without going off on an incoherent 5 minute ramble about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or some other nonsense, he is far more truthful and fact based, whereas Trump just makes up whatever "alternative facts" he wants to suit him... and when Trump tries to talk policy it all just devolves into his generic, repetetive "tremendous" and "like people have never seen before" handwaving and bullshit because that's his go-to when his brain fails. If you want to talk about failing mental capacity your focus should be on Trump.

+1 there is absolutely ZERO credible proof of Parkinsons or any other debilitating condition. His health records have been consistently released. the Parkinsons thing came from media misinterpreting the neurologist who came to the white house to run tests on Biden and treat other people like joint chiefs, who are located in the White House.

It came from our eyes and our personal experience. (Are you saying that the joint chiefs have Parkinson's?)

I am saying that there is nothing in the presidents public health records that indicate Parkinsons or pre-Parkinsons. He has been transparent in his health records.

We don't even know what hit Trump on Saturday, of he has any neurological damage or anything else. Much less his actual height and weight.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

I agree - his handle on certain issues is impressive - as it should be as a lifelong politician. But his wife and close aides have covered up his failing mental capacity - it is no doubt much worse than what the public has seen given the Obama and heck, even Clooney urging to drop out. I don't trust Biden because of the pure selfishness he has exhibited by not taking the opportunity to gracefully back out and give the Dems wiggle room to regroup. Selfish. Jill loves the power and perks. Biden should not have committed to a DEI pick - it should have been the best woman/man for the VP job. The consequences of both these poor, self absorbed choices are directly leading to another 4 years of crazy in the WH.

People like you keep saying over and over "failing mental capacity" yet he does not meet the criteria for early Parkinsons, he is sharper than Trump on issues, unlike Trump he isn't hampered and constrained by a 5th grade vocabulary (compare video of Trump talking 20 years ao to today, it's night and day), unlike Trump he is far more able to stay focused and complete his thoughts without going off on an incoherent 5 minute ramble about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or some other nonsense, he is far more truthful and fact based, whereas Trump just makes up whatever "alternative facts" he wants to suit him... and when Trump tries to talk policy it all just devolves into his generic, repetetive "tremendous" and "like people have never seen before" handwaving and bullshit because that's his go-to when his brain fails. If you want to talk about failing mental capacity your focus should be on Trump.

He could be sharper than Trump on all the issues but when he messed up and said things like “We beat Medicare” and Roe v Wade is needed in case of pregnancy from rape by fathers, brothers, and sisters, he sounded ridiculous .

He looked sleepy and drugged on stage with his mouth open and a confused stare, and he essentially lost half of America. He can get it back perhaps if they open up the next debate as a town hall with audience questions and they get rid of that awful split screen . I think AOC was right that Biden loves an audience and gets fired up in a crowd . The split screen and no audience rule were horrible mistakes . It only worked in Trumps favor and so did muting the mics. Trump was able to appear more presidential because he wasn’t able to interrupt

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

Stop gaslighting. The voters did not get a real choice in the primaries, most were disappointed that he was choosing to run again, and are now alarmed by his declining health.

That said, if he’s still the best chance to beat Trump, he should stay (and only for that reason).

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

Stop gaslighting. The voters did not get a real choice in the primaries, most were disappointed that he was choosing to run again, and are now alarmed by his declining health.

That said, if he’s still the best chance to beat Trump, he should stay (and only for that reason).

No, he should not. He is only getting older, he will never get younger. He needs to withdraw. Also, he will not beat Trump, so that doesn't enter into it (thank goodness, because there seem to be plenty of people who are willing to overlook his incapacity, ahem AOC).

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Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

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Anonymous wrote:Show us a credible polling showing another Dem crushing Trump in Biden's place. Then and ONLY then will you have a compelling argument.

If Biden is losing to Trump in the polls, then does it matter that another Dem is losing to Trump in the polls? Having him stay in will not help Dems. So he needs to do the right thing - and withdraw.

It looks like Kelly, Whitmer, Shapiro and Moore are outpacing Biden in swing states #itstimetogojoe https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943