IVF embryos are people too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't even move their embryos out of state...

I can’t blame the companies for limiting their liability, but this is heartbreaking for the fertility patients.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just can’t reconcile the dissonance of “embryos are people” and “Trump is our guy.”

Make it make sense.

Because they know all they have to do is tell Trump how awesome he is, and then he will appoint them as judges and department heads so they can make their christofascist beliefs into law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't even move their embryos out of state...

I can’t blame the companies for limiting their liability, but this is heartbreaking for the fertility patients.

Wow. I would be worried if I had embryos stored in several very conservative states. How complex is it to move them to a state with more protection?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

+1 why is an embryo in a woman a life but not if it's in a petri dish?

Clearly, this is purely about trying to control a woman's body.

The embryo has some chance of developing into a living person if it’s in a woman’s uterus, but an embryo has absolutely no chance of any significant development outside a woman’s body. Even the top embryo labs have never gestated an embryo remotely close to the point of viability. Without implanting in a woman’s body, an embryo has no more chance of developing into a living person than an unfertilized egg does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IVF was essentially over in most red states when the SC over turned Roe v Wade.

Look, I doubt OP missed that, but we need to point out every time additional constraints are codified, ruled on, etc. Every time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can't even move their embryos out of state...

I can’t blame the companies for limiting their liability, but this is heartbreaking for the fertility patients.

Wow. I would be worried if I had embryos stored in several very conservative states. How complex is it to move them to a state with more protection?

What would be the states most at risk of creating this horror show for their IVF families?

Texas? Florida? Missouri?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

+1 why is an embryo in a woman a life but not if it's in a petri dish?

Clearly, this is purely about trying to control a woman's body.

The embryo has some chance of developing into a living person if it’s in a woman’s uterus, but an embryo has absolutely no chance of any significant development outside a woman’s body. Even the top embryo labs have never gestated an embryo remotely close to the point of viability. Without implanting in a woman’s body, an embryo has no more chance of developing into a living person than an unfertilized egg does.

A huge hurdle in this circus is that Alabama holds that life begins are fertilization. Once that one sperm has broken through and is inside the egg and it’s fertilized, that’s it, according to that state. Hence why you hear “life begins at conception” that’s what they mean. Once that magic has started and the one cell starts dividing = life. Under Alabama law.

This is the basis for everything. In this case, it was irrelevant to the justices that the embryos had not been transplanted inside or uterus or weren’t inside a woman at all. Open and shut, once the egg is fertilized it’s life, whether inside some Petri dish or inside some woman’s uterus. And thus the court held a life is a life is a life, womb or no womb, frozen or not frozen. Please do not respond to my post telling me I don’t know biology. I do, I’m pro choice and I’m not an idiot. But this is the very basic belief of the case law in Alabama and in a lot of evangelical thinking.

So now they have to reconcile that life at fertilization view with embryos created outside a womb aka IVF. If they make an exception, it can back fire on their basic argument. I do not believe for one second that hard core republicans did not anticipate this conundrum.

[Anonymous]

An acorn is not a tree and an apple blossom is not an apple. But corporations and embryos are people. And women are not. Truly Orwellian.

[Anonymous]

They overturned Roe
They vilified Taylor Swift.

Now this.

I think the right is making it clear how they feel about women.

[Anonymous]

One third of all embryos fail to implant. If an embryo is an unborn child, how do we make sense of millions upon millions of embryos that are ejected with periods all around the world at every moment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One third of all embryos fail to implant. If an embryo is an unborn child, how do we make sense of millions upon millions of embryos that are ejected with periods all around the world at every moment?

An embryos not a child. these people are so ignorant. Get some justices that have actually given birth, had IVF, had a miscarriage, had an abortion , heck even that have menstruated, into these courts and knock some sense into this justice system.

[Anonymous]

CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Won’t the Alabama Supreme Court just strike that down?

[Anonymous]

It was all there for anyone who was listening. But wOmeN aRe hYsTeriCal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One third of all embryos fail to implant. If an embryo is an unborn child, how do we make sense of millions upon millions of embryos that are ejected with periods all around the world at every moment?

An embryos not a child. these people are so ignorant. Get some justices that have actually given birth, had IVF, had a miscarriage, had an abortion , heck even that have menstruated, into these courts and knock some sense into this justice system.

Embryos, morula, blastula are a pile of cells — blobs of protein, water, sugar. The fact that they can turn into a human under certain conditions does not change that fact. A strand of hair contains genetic material that could turn into a human under certain conditions.

The pro-life movement is just idiotic that looks toward fairy tales to define life and force their psychosis upon everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One third of all embryos fail to implant. If an embryo is an unborn child, how do we make sense of millions upon millions of embryos that are ejected with periods all around the world at every moment?

An embryos not a child. these people are so ignorant. Get some justices that have actually given birth, had IVF, had a miscarriage, had an abortion , heck even that have menstruated, into these courts and knock some sense into this justice system.

Amy would like a word... All bets are off when this gets to SCOTUS. (which as been to goal ever since this bogus case was bought, ah hem, brought.