IVF embryos are people too

[Anonymous]

The Alabama couples are seeking to overturn the Alabama law passed to protect IVF.

IVF will be banned nationally if Trump is elected.


From nyt:
Two Alabama families at the center of the wrongful-death lawsuit that led to the temporary suspension of in vitro fertilization procedures in the state have asked a judge to overturn a new law that shields clinics and doctors from civil and criminal liability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Alabama couples are seeking to overturn the Alabama law passed to protect IVF.

IVF will be banned nationally if Trump is elected.


From nyt:
Two Alabama families at the center of the wrongful-death lawsuit that led to the temporary suspension of in vitro fertilization procedures in the state have asked a judge to overturn a new law that shields clinics and doctors from civil and criminal liability.

JFC
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/us/politics/alabamas-ivf-shield-law.html?searchResultPosition=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The trick is, Republicans support IVF, but the IVF clinics will not operate in a state without abortion rights. That is because you may have extra embryos which need to be destroyed, or that become accidentally destroyed, and if there's a murder charge waiting when that happens, no one wants to take that chance.

So supporting IVF without supporting abortion rights, is going to result in the state offering neither.

Wait, I’m the above poster. Was the recent Republican legislation devised to protect IVF clinics against a potential risk of these charges? Although that would be hella inconsistent. If that’s not what the legislation was talking about re: protecting IVF, then what was it? I will look it up too but would like a ELI5 version.

[Anonymous]

Yes, that’s what the legislation was for. I’m the poster above who asked that question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans:

"Have babies! No abortion or birth control for you! If you're infertile then fk you!"

It is a legitimate concern for people who care about climate and planet over population. You can go ahead and have your babies as many as you want (like most newly arrived immigrants do), but there is absolutely no reason to create babies artificially. All the immigrants who came here recently are young and healthy and we will have a healthy next population. 40+ moms can breed the cats.

Except they won't be white babies, so in GOP world, it doesn't count.

Of course it counts. That is why GOP supports all mothers having children. But nice try to play your race card when you have no argument.

That poster had a perfectly clear and coherent answer. You just didn’t like it.

There are millions of fearful, white, racist pearl clutching zealot Evangelical and Traditionlist Catholics who are having to balance their fear of white population decline with their odd religious concepts of personhood for embryos and IVF.

“We are losing our country! But also IVF bad!”

It’s a fking quandary for these people. And they are idiots.

For everyone else sensible and not racist

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

For all he knows Trump's kid was conceived by IVF. He better be careful because IVF people are every and they are not going to take kindly to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The people who vote for guys like this are always willing to look the other way.

[Anonymous]

Does she really not get this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans:

"Have babies! No abortion or birth control for you! If you're infertile then fk you!"

It is a legitimate concern for people who care about climate and planet over population. You can go ahead and have your babies as many as you want (like most newly arrived immigrants do), but there is absolutely no reason to create babies artificially. All the immigrants who came here recently are young and healthy and we will have a healthy next population. 40+ moms can breed the cats.

Except they won't be white babies, so in GOP world, it doesn't count.

Of course it counts. That is why GOP supports all mothers having children. But nice try to play your race card when you have no argument.

That poster had a perfectly clear and coherent answer. You just didn’t like it.

There are millions of fearful, white, racist pearl clutching zealot Evangelical and Traditionlist Catholics who are having to balance their fear of white population decline with their odd religious concepts of personhood for embryos and IVF.

“We are losing our country! But also IVF bad!”

It’s a fking quandary for these people. And they are idiots.

For everyone else sensible and not racist

+1. Evolution works in mysterious ways. If they want to let their genes die out due to silly superstition, who are we to stop them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does she really not get this?

She’s that much of a hypocrite and she knows that Republican voters are too, that or stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Senate Republicans have blocked a Democratic-led bill to codify broad federal protections for IVF.

Before the vote, GOP senators said they favor legal IVF but prefer a narrower bill that Democrats called ineffectual.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-democratic-bill-protect-ivf-nationwide-rcna156416?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=666b3e7c33dadb0001abf5e1&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Schumer is bringing this up again, let’s see how the party with the “leader on fertilization” does this time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senate Republicans have blocked a Democratic-led bill to codify broad federal protections for IVF.

Before the vote, GOP senators said they favor legal IVF but prefer a narrower bill that Democrats called ineffectual.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-democratic-bill-protect-ivf-nationwide-rcna156416?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=666b3e7c33dadb0001abf5e1&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Schumer is bringing this up again, let’s see how the party with the “leader on fertilization” does this time.

Good.
How will Trump instruct his sycophants in Congress to vote?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senate Republicans have blocked a Democratic-led bill to codify broad federal protections for IVF.

Before the vote, GOP senators said they favor legal IVF but prefer a narrower bill that Democrats called ineffectual.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-democratic-bill-protect-ivf-nationwide-rcna156416?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=666b3e7c33dadb0001abf5e1&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Schumer is bringing this up again, let’s see how the party with the “leader on fertilization” does this time.

Good.
How will Trump instruct his sycophants in Congress to vote?

Here’s one of those Trump sycophants now:

[Anonymous]

“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God,” he wrote in a concurring opinion that invoked the Book of Genesis and the prophet Jeremiah and quoted at length from the writings of 16th- and 17th-century theologians.

“Even before birth,” he added, “all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”

-Alabama Supreme Court chief justice, Tom Parker