UVA rush

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Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

Sorry, but how does the wealth of an 18 year old’s family reflect that individual’s personal merit?

And dress size?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone just said she was flabbergasted to learn that fraternities only want to mix with sororities with super hot girls. That has been true ever since the second sorority was opened and it will be true for as long as there is a Greek system - straight college guys like super hot girls. Where on earth do these DCUM creatures come from?

This is true in all aspects of life and not unique to the Greek system. Are y'all living on planet Earth?

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Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

Sorry, but how does the wealth of an 18 year old’s family reflect that individual’s personal merit?

And dress size?

And fabricated essay?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like there's no way to make everybody happy. Either you let girls continue all the way through under the false hope and/or delusion they're going to be picked by a top sorority (only to leave them with nothing at the end when the top sorority drops them and they already foreclosed any other opportunities they might have had to join a lower tier house) or you accept that rush is a big farce and since the top houses already know who they want before rush (thus no point in actually meeting and getting to know other girls), you cut girls early and often (which gives them a chance to explore other options but also uses these girls to pad the numbers at struggling houses).

It’s a farce. Cutting early still doesn’t work that way. The middle houses may cut you because your resume makes them think you’ll go to a more popular house (GPA, high school, camps, etc) but the popular houses can’t take everyone (and dirty rushing has them almost full anyway) so midweek lots of girls who have resumes for competitive houses but no connections are left with only the house that’s desperately trying to stay active which is not appealing to most 18 year olds. Why bother rushing? If you want that house, you could just COB that house with zero stress and misery.

Frats get a bad rap for hazing but they do a much better job at matching with compatible members and it’s very laid back. Sororities take all the negative stereotypes about middle school female friendships and sell it as a fun week.

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Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

Yes, the merit of hotness. Careful though as making rush sound awfully close to pageant and even Miss America dropped swimsuit category in 2018.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

AND PAY for the privilege. Don’t forget that part.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

Again, associating “snap bids” with bottom tier and being shocked that groups that are not bottom would do this is simply telling me that you are an alum from 25 years ago.
When every group must limit their invitations based on their prior three years of performance, there will be groups that miss quota by one or three on occasion. And when it happens to a group that is not lower tier (“even theta”) will utilize snap bidding to pretty easily and quickly fill those spots.
Yes, girls drop when they have their hearts set on certain houses and their expectations for what houses will invite them don’t align with what happens for them.
But when that happens, invitation numbers given to the houses by NPC is reduced, and quota is then adjusted each round to reflect the number still enrolled divided by the number of houses.
There are no NPC houses at UVA (or elsewhere) that are matching only three women on bid day.

why are you so high and mighty, do you work for the algorithm maker? I just TOLD YOU THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Tri Sig at UVA had exactly three people show up to bid day. You can ask anyone. The parents have posted in it on the FB pages, there are PICS of the three people on their insta. It happened, so stop being so stupid and condescending. Normally the bottom house is GPHI and they get maybe 8 on bid day. They did not participate in formal rush as they have too few members so now Tri Sig took their spot and the least popular. but THREE? Absolutely crazy. Everything went haywire this rush and WAY more people dropped out than usual.

I think PP’s point is that unless they under-invited, the algorithm would not have matched them with only three women on bid day.
So the only other way to explain only three women showing up on bid day, women who were matched to that sorority would have had to opt to drop out rather accept their bid and show up to that house.
And it sounds like you are saying that yes, that is what happened.
This is a system problem. It’s not just an [insert name of current “bottom” chapter] problem. And I hope the whole system recognizes that. Because if they don’t work together to help erase/combat the stigma they’ve created and reinforced that does NOT support “all our chapters are strong and full of amazing college women” then this result will be repeated until chapter “on the bottom” will continue to decline and fall off due to lack of membership, until suddenly there are only three groups left and that third group starts to wonder how they came to be known as “bottom tier!”

My unsolicited advice for any members of the very “top chapters” who are reading this is to use your position for good. Reach out and offer to support these groups for the good of your whole system. Hold partner philanthropy events with them, host small social events with your group and theirs plus two fraternities. Use your strong reputation to assist in combatting this issue and begin to build a culture across your Greek system that refuses to engage in tearing down other groups who only want what you want——a support system where they can find encouragement and friendship with other women.

No horse in this rush race but I read the thread with interest and the above post. I have heard of various experiences across schools. Is it that 25-50 percent of rushees land at 8 houses or so and the rest (hundreds) are herded toward 1 or 2 less popular houses knowing statistically many bail and hoping enough stick? That seems like a ruse and feeds a stigma problem which shouldnt exist in the first place. The girls wouldn’t be at the school if they weren’t compelling and worthy of knowing. However it is the perception of supply and demand.

So above poster has a point. The different houses should support each other to try to correct the problem.

How else can it be solved and shake it up so it has a chance of surviving? Out of box thinking, what if girls can opt to be assigned randomly if they want? 20 get assigned to each house via lottery as an additional layer to the traditional process, or whatever number the least popular needs? Each house gets that same number of lottery draws ie 30 traditional process, 20 draws.

Any other ideas out there? So many are left disenchanted and there must be a better way these days.

Great idea to do a lottery! My DD went through rush recently at a private school where Greek life is very big. It was very eye-opening and disturbing. There are a few top sororities that all of the girls want to join. And then there are two sororities with beautiful houses and alumnae support, but the girls do not want to join those houses. They would prefer to drop out of rush than be associated with those sororities. We used a rush consultant, and I asked her why the girls did not want to join those two houses. The consultant (age 30) said that the girls in those two houses are "super sweet," but that the fraternities do not want to do mixers with them because the fraternities only want to do mixers with sororities where the girls are "super hot." I was kind of left speechless by this comment. I was in a sorority myself back in the day, and we were not this mean about it. Social media has really done harm to Greek life, IMHO. Let's hope that social media dies out as a fad, as it has harmed/ruined so many aspects of society at this point.

Oh please. Get over yourself. It’s ALWAYS been this way. It’s just more public in the age of social media. But there have been popular and unpopular sororities on every campus, since the Greek system began.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

It’s not really though, is it?
The hybrid approach of traditional plus lottery could help balance things and ensure Greek life continues in these more modern times instead of going bust. I think it’s threatened and there are some good aspects.

Sorry but no. People have a right to associate with whomever they choose.

Guess what - sometimes that’s not you.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

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It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

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I've been reading this thread with interest, though my kids are younger. I hope they choose not to subject themselves to any of this - it sounds miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

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Anonymous wrote:I've been reading this thread with interest, though my kids are younger. I hope they choose not to subject themselves to any of this - it sounds miserable.

Ok, well, you have a say in influencing that now. And you can refuse to pay for it when they get to college, like we did. DCs quickly lost interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Or maybe teach your crying daughters that there are amazing women in all chapters and a positive and fun experience to be had no matter what letters she ends up wearing?
I don’t know. I mean the most “sought after” houses can only take the max number they are allowed. Did you let your kid only apply to Harvard? Or did you tell her there are lots of schools out there where she can be happy and get a good education?
Just makes no sense that girls make up their minds that they need to be in one specific sorority in order to be happy. The crying drama about it is a bit much.