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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

Again, associating “snap bids” with bottom tier and being shocked that groups that are not bottom would do this is simply telling me that you are an alum from 25 years ago.
When every group must limit their invitations based on their prior three years of performance, there will be groups that miss quota by one or three on occasion. And when it happens to a group that is not lower tier (“even theta”) will utilize snap bidding to pretty easily and quickly fill those spots.
Yes, girls drop when they have their hearts set on certain houses and their expectations for what houses will invite them don’t align with what happens for them.
But when that happens, invitation numbers given to the houses by NPC is reduced, and quota is then adjusted each round to reflect the number still enrolled divided by the number of houses.
There are no NPC houses at UVA (or elsewhere) that are matching only three women on bid day.

why are you so high and mighty, do you work for the algorithm maker? I just TOLD YOU THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Tri Sig at UVA had exactly three people show up to bid day. You can ask anyone. The parents have posted in it on the FB pages, there are PICS of the three people on their insta. It happened, so stop being so stupid and condescending. Normally the bottom house is GPHI and they get maybe 8 on bid day. They did not participate in formal rush as they have too few members so now Tri Sig took their spot and the least popular. but THREE? Absolutely crazy. Everything went haywire this rush and WAY more people dropped out than usual.

I think PP’s point is that unless they under-invited, the algorithm would not have matched them with only three women on bid day.
So the only other way to explain only three women showing up on bid day, women who were matched to that sorority would have had to opt to drop out rather accept their bid and show up to that house.
And it sounds like you are saying that yes, that is what happened.
This is a system problem. It’s not just an [insert name of current “bottom” chapter] problem. And I hope the whole system recognizes that. Because if they don’t work together to help erase/combat the stigma they’ve created and reinforced that does NOT support “all our chapters are strong and full of amazing college women” then this result will be repeated until chapter “on the bottom” will continue to decline and fall off due to lack of membership, until suddenly there are only three groups left and that third group starts to wonder how they came to be known as “bottom tier!”

My unsolicited advice for any members of the very “top chapters” who are reading this is to use your position for good. Reach out and offer to support these groups for the good of your whole system. Hold partner philanthropy events with them, host small social events with your group and theirs plus two fraternities. Use your strong reputation to assist in combatting this issue and begin to build a culture across your Greek system that refuses to engage in tearing down other groups who only want what you want——a support system where they can find encouragement and friendship with other women.

No horse in this rush race but I read the thread with interest and the above post. I have heard of various experiences across schools. Is it that 25-50 percent of rushees land at 8 houses or so and the rest (hundreds) are herded toward 1 or 2 less popular houses knowing statistically many bail and hoping enough stick? That seems like a ruse and feeds a stigma problem which shouldnt exist in the first place. The girls wouldn’t be at the school if they weren’t compelling and worthy of knowing. However it is the perception of supply and demand.

So above poster has a point. The different houses should support each other to try to correct the problem.

How else can it be solved and shake it up so it has a chance of surviving? Out of box thinking, what if girls can opt to be assigned randomly if they want? 20 get assigned to each house via lottery as an additional layer to the traditional process, or whatever number the least popular needs? Each house gets that same number of lottery draws ie 30 traditional process, 20 draws.

Any other ideas out there? So many are left disenchanted and there must be a better way these days.

I like the enthusiasm for out of the box thinking but unfortunately no huge membership process decisions will be made at the local level. The 26 NPC member groups decide the rules together and it goes in a manual known as “the greenbook.”

A variation on this thought could be that Panhellenic could ask for volunteers among the top groups to co-host COB events with the lower groups and talk up being Greek. Like imagine a bowling party where the XYZs and the ABCs take a bunch of potential members out for a fun night of bowling. Sorority XYZ is the only one actually recruiting, but ABC sorority is there to support and add to the fun. They don’t need to disguise which group they are with or anything like that. It’s just sometimes it helps to reinforce that these stigmas aren’t real and everyone can have fun together.

Meanwhile maybe 30-40 girls who dropped could ban together and COB as a group to struggling house and help turn it around. Take one take all. Get organized and have some power and fun with it.

I really hope this will happen. Just takes some brave girls who band together. Tri sig is not a bad house, there are great, smart, attractive girls there and they do have frat relations, unlike Gphi. There nothing but potential!

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

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It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

+1 thank you for saying what I didn’t have the energy to! 100% correct

Yes more fair to let them know earlier than prom. But wouldn’t it be even MORE fair to let them know he’s with the cheerleader at the beginning before he decided to speed date them all?

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

+1 thank you for saying what I didn’t have the energy to! 100% correct

Yes more fair to let them know earlier than prom. But wouldn’t it be even MORE fair to let them know he’s with the cheerleader at the beginning before he decided to speed date them all?

No because the always a chance before he officially invites someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

+1 thank you for saying what I didn’t have the energy to! 100% correct

Yes more fair to let them know earlier than prom. But wouldn’t it be even MORE fair to let them know he’s with the cheerleader at the beginning before he decided to speed date them all?

No because the always a chance before he officially invites someone else.

Reread this part of the earlier post:
Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

Again, associating “snap bids” with bottom tier and being shocked that groups that are not bottom would do this is simply telling me that you are an alum from 25 years ago.
When every group must limit their invitations based on their prior three years of performance, there will be groups that miss quota by one or three on occasion. And when it happens to a group that is not lower tier (“even theta”) will utilize snap bidding to pretty easily and quickly fill those spots.
Yes, girls drop when they have their hearts set on certain houses and their expectations for what houses will invite them don’t align with what happens for them.
But when that happens, invitation numbers given to the houses by NPC is reduced, and quota is then adjusted each round to reflect the number still enrolled divided by the number of houses.
There are no NPC houses at UVA (or elsewhere) that are matching only three women on bid day.

why are you so high and mighty, do you work for the algorithm maker? I just TOLD YOU THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Tri Sig at UVA had exactly three people show up to bid day. You can ask anyone. The parents have posted in it on the FB pages, there are PICS of the three people on their insta. It happened, so stop being so stupid and condescending. Normally the bottom house is GPHI and they get maybe 8 on bid day. They did not participate in formal rush as they have too few members so now Tri Sig took their spot and the least popular. but THREE? Absolutely crazy. Everything went haywire this rush and WAY more people dropped out than usual.

I think PP’s point is that unless they under-invited, the algorithm would not have matched them with only three women on bid day.
So the only other way to explain only three women showing up on bid day, women who were matched to that sorority would have had to opt to drop out rather accept their bid and show up to that house.
And it sounds like you are saying that yes, that is what happened.
This is a system problem. It’s not just an [insert name of current “bottom” chapter] problem. And I hope the whole system recognizes that. Because if they don’t work together to help erase/combat the stigma they’ve created and reinforced that does NOT support “all our chapters are strong and full of amazing college women” then this result will be repeated until chapter “on the bottom” will continue to decline and fall off due to lack of membership, until suddenly there are only three groups left and that third group starts to wonder how they came to be known as “bottom tier!”

My unsolicited advice for any members of the very “top chapters” who are reading this is to use your position for good. Reach out and offer to support these groups for the good of your whole system. Hold partner philanthropy events with them, host small social events with your group and theirs plus two fraternities. Use your strong reputation to assist in combatting this issue and begin to build a culture across your Greek system that refuses to engage in tearing down other groups who only want what you want——a support system where they can find encouragement and friendship with other women.

No horse in this rush race but I read the thread with interest and the above post. I have heard of various experiences across schools. Is it that 25-50 percent of rushees land at 8 houses or so and the rest (hundreds) are herded toward 1 or 2 less popular houses knowing statistically many bail and hoping enough stick? That seems like a ruse and feeds a stigma problem which shouldnt exist in the first place. The girls wouldn’t be at the school if they weren’t compelling and worthy of knowing. However it is the perception of supply and demand.

So above poster has a point. The different houses should support each other to try to correct the problem.

How else can it be solved and shake it up so it has a chance of surviving? Out of box thinking, what if girls can opt to be assigned randomly if they want? 20 get assigned to each house via lottery as an additional layer to the traditional process, or whatever number the least popular needs? Each house gets that same number of lottery draws ie 30 traditional process, 20 draws.

Any other ideas out there? So many are left disenchanted and there must be a better way these days.

I like the enthusiasm for out of the box thinking but unfortunately no huge membership process decisions will be made at the local level. The 26 NPC member groups decide the rules together and it goes in a manual known as “the greenbook.”

A variation on this thought could be that Panhellenic could ask for volunteers among the top groups to co-host COB events with the lower groups and talk up being Greek. Like imagine a bowling party where the XYZs and the ABCs take a bunch of potential members out for a fun night of bowling. Sorority XYZ is the only one actually recruiting, but ABC sorority is there to support and add to the fun. They don’t need to disguise which group they are with or anything like that. It’s just sometimes it helps to reinforce that these stigmas aren’t real and everyone can have fun together.

Meanwhile maybe 30-40 girls who dropped could ban together and COB as a group to struggling house and help turn it around. Take one take all. Get organized and have some power and fun with it.

I really hope this will happen. Just takes some brave girls who band together. Tri sig is not a bad house, there are great, smart, attractive girls there and they do have frat relations, unlike Gphi. There nothing but potential!

I don’t know houses there but I’m sure true of girls in all houses. Personally I wouldn’t care about the frat relations much anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

This is a bizarre word salad but it says a lot about how disgusting the process is.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

Again, associating “snap bids” with bottom tier and being shocked that groups that are not bottom would do this is simply telling me that you are an alum from 25 years ago.
When every group must limit their invitations based on their prior three years of performance, there will be groups that miss quota by one or three on occasion. And when it happens to a group that is not lower tier (“even theta”) will utilize snap bidding to pretty easily and quickly fill those spots.
Yes, girls drop when they have their hearts set on certain houses and their expectations for what houses will invite them don’t align with what happens for them.
But when that happens, invitation numbers given to the houses by NPC is reduced, and quota is then adjusted each round to reflect the number still enrolled divided by the number of houses.
There are no NPC houses at UVA (or elsewhere) that are matching only three women on bid day.

why are you so high and mighty, do you work for the algorithm maker? I just TOLD YOU THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Tri Sig at UVA had exactly three people show up to bid day. You can ask anyone. The parents have posted in it on the FB pages, there are PICS of the three people on their insta. It happened, so stop being so stupid and condescending. Normally the bottom house is GPHI and they get maybe 8 on bid day. They did not participate in formal rush as they have too few members so now Tri Sig took their spot and the least popular. but THREE? Absolutely crazy. Everything went haywire this rush and WAY more people dropped out than usual.

I think PP’s point is that unless they under-invited, the algorithm would not have matched them with only three women on bid day.
So the only other way to explain only three women showing up on bid day, women who were matched to that sorority would have had to opt to drop out rather accept their bid and show up to that house.
And it sounds like you are saying that yes, that is what happened.
This is a system problem. It’s not just an [insert name of current “bottom” chapter] problem. And I hope the whole system recognizes that. Because if they don’t work together to help erase/combat the stigma they’ve created and reinforced that does NOT support “all our chapters are strong and full of amazing college women” then this result will be repeated until chapter “on the bottom” will continue to decline and fall off due to lack of membership, until suddenly there are only three groups left and that third group starts to wonder how they came to be known as “bottom tier!”

My unsolicited advice for any members of the very “top chapters” who are reading this is to use your position for good. Reach out and offer to support these groups for the good of your whole system. Hold partner philanthropy events with them, host small social events with your group and theirs plus two fraternities. Use your strong reputation to assist in combatting this issue and begin to build a culture across your Greek system that refuses to engage in tearing down other groups who only want what you want——a support system where they can find encouragement and friendship with other women.

No horse in this rush race but I read the thread with interest and the above post. I have heard of various experiences across schools. Is it that 25-50 percent of rushees land at 8 houses or so and the rest (hundreds) are herded toward 1 or 2 less popular houses knowing statistically many bail and hoping enough stick? That seems like a ruse and feeds a stigma problem which shouldnt exist in the first place. The girls wouldn’t be at the school if they weren’t compelling and worthy of knowing. However it is the perception of supply and demand.

So above poster has a point. The different houses should support each other to try to correct the problem.

How else can it be solved and shake it up so it has a chance of surviving? Out of box thinking, what if girls can opt to be assigned randomly if they want? 20 get assigned to each house via lottery as an additional layer to the traditional process, or whatever number the least popular needs? Each house gets that same number of lottery draws ie 30 traditional process, 20 draws.

Any other ideas out there? So many are left disenchanted and there must be a better way these days.

Great idea to do a lottery! My DD went through rush recently at a private school where Greek life is very big. It was very eye-opening and disturbing. There are a few top sororities that all of the girls want to join. And then there are two sororities with beautiful houses and alumnae support, but the girls do not want to join those houses. They would prefer to drop out of rush than be associated with those sororities. We used a rush consultant, and I asked her why the girls did not want to join those two houses. The consultant (age 30) said that the girls in those two houses are "super sweet," but that the fraternities do not want to do mixers with them because the fraternities only want to do mixers with sororities where the girls are "super hot." I was kind of left speechless by this comment. I was in a sorority myself back in the day, and we were not this mean about it. Social media has really done harm to Greek life, IMHO. Let's hope that social media dies out as a fad, as it has harmed/ruined so many aspects of society at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

This is a bizarre word salad but it says a lot about how disgusting the process is.

+1 This thread has gone from mildly entertaining to fully nauseating. I’m really embarrassed for anyone still participating in this system, or even more so, their mothers who know every detail about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

It’s not really though, is it?
The hybrid approach of traditional plus lottery could help balance things and ensure Greek life continues in these more modern times instead of going bust. I think it’s threatened and there are some good aspects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

It’s almost correct. Yes, it is about the math. And for schools with struggling houses, the numbers are established to help them solve that problem. It’s a decision made to solve the school’s problem, not to improve the rush experience. It’s all about the university’s needs. I can’t speak to UVA specifically, but it’s 100% true at some universities and I know administrators who supervise the process have confirmed this. You can use semantics to make it sound less harmful, but it’s a game the NPC and the schools play for their benefit and to the girls’ detriment.

The way some you talk about human beings is really sick, btw. Really bad PR. You’re confirming every negative stereotype sororities have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

It’s almost correct. Yes, it is about the math. And for schools with struggling houses, the numbers are established to help them solve that problem. It’s a decision made to solve the school’s problem, not to improve the rush experience. It’s all about the university’s needs. I can’t speak to UVA specifically, but it’s 100% true at some universities and I know administrators who supervise the process have confirmed this. You can use semantics to make it sound less harmful, but it’s a game the NPC and the schools play for their benefit and to the girls’ detriment.

The way some you talk about human beings is really sick, btw. Really bad PR. You’re confirming every negative stereotype sororities have.

Agreed. Just disregard them. They are loud but outliers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

For the most part, yes, they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

For the most part, yes, they do.

How is that any different than the stunted parts of high school? Doesn't you kid go to college to learn and grow?

[Anonymous]

Seems like there's no way to make everybody happy. Either you let girls continue all the way through under the false hope and/or delusion they're going to be picked by a top sorority (only to leave them with nothing at the end when the top sorority drops them and they already foreclosed any other opportunities they might have had to join a lower tier house) or you accept that rush is a big farce and since the top houses already know who they want before rush (thus no point in actually meeting and getting to know other girls), you cut girls early and often (which gives them a chance to explore other options but also uses these girls to pad the numbers at struggling houses).